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The "fans" without tickets were the ones crushing the themselves against the gates which created the situation. If they hadn't been there the gates would not have been opened. Have any of the "fans" who went to hillsborough without a ticket ever said that they were sorry for what happened to the supporters who had paid for their tickets and were in the ground legitimatly and then lost their lives because of this?
What choices do you think that the police had on the day when there was the possibility of a riot outside the ground and the possibility of hundreds of people outside the ground being crushed to death? Have you ever been in a crush situation at a football ground yourself? I have and I can tell you that it was only by the grace of God that no one died in that one.


Have you read the taylor report?

184. By 2.52 pm when gate C was opened, pens 3 and 4 were over-full even by this test. Many were uncomfortable. To allow any more into those pens was likely to cause injuries; to allow in a large stream was courting disaster.

The police stated a large number of Liverpool fans were 'drunk', yet the taylor report states;

"the great majority were not drunk nor even the worse for drink."


More importantly taylor concludes;

there was not an abnormally large number of fans without tickets

With the above in mind I think the families deserve justice.

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I don't buy this Taylor report mate in any why shape or form.

4 lads who I used to play football went to the game, 3 were Forest fans and the other one was a Liverpool fan. They all said when they got back that there were hundreds of ticketless and drunk Liverpool fans wandering around asking for tickets before the game, I can remember one lad saying he could have sold his ticket 100 times over.

They are trying to move the blame from the ticketless fans (who we all know caused the problem) over to the Police who were confronted by thousands of drunk ticketless Liverpool fans who'd travelled to game with the sole intention of getting into the ground for nothing.

That's my take on things.

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I think the families deserve justice.

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In what way?

Some kind of closure from the authorities to the families, let them see the records, let them see if there was a cover up........successive governments failing to allow this to happen only deepens any percieved conspiracy.

http://www.fsf.org.uk/uploaded/publications/pdfs/interim%20report%20hillsborough.pdf

The taylor report seems fairly clear.

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That's the Interim Report; where's the Final (or Completed) Report?

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From day one , the police and government had done everything in their power to make sure that the relatives of the dead do not have sight of all the official reports. but one-day the truth will be revealed.. in whatever shape or form that takes.. until then, the relatives of the dead will campaign... and they will be supported by the Liverpool people.... and that's a fact......

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That's the Interim Report; where's the Final (or Completed) Report?


Do you think the final report will differ vastly from the interim report?

I really don't understand people here. Even if it was Liverpool fans without tickets to blame, and that itself seems to be a moot point, what people are asking for is justice.

The 96 people that died didn't push anyone, they got into the stadium in time and are completely innocent.

The other 750 odd people who were injured didn't cause the incident either.


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The police stated a large number of Liverpool fans were 'drunk', yet the taylor report states;

"the great majority were not drunk nor even the worse for drink."


More importantly taylor concludes;

there was not an abnormally large number of fans without tickets

With the above in mind I think the families deserve justice.

CC


That just sounds like the normal rubbish. How many liverpool fans were there? 20,000 ish, well I would be suprised if the great majority were drunk. Without some actual figures of how many were drunk it is a meaningless statement.
How many ticketless fans does it take to be abnormally high? is it 10 or 100? or could it be 500 or 1000? Again a meaningless statement.
If the familys of the unfortunate dead want justice they should seek out the ticketless, drunk "fans" and sue them and stop trying to blame the police who were put in an impossible position by these idiots.

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I think it's only right that all reports that were written at the time should be available for all to see. What does anybody have to hide? Not allowing people to see these reports only leads to speculation and anguish for the families concerned. If it was somebody in my family that had been killed or injured I'd want to know exactly what happened

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I think it's only right that all reports that were written at the time should be available for all to see. What does anybody have to hide? Not allowing people to see these reports only leads to speculation and anguish for the families concerned. If it was somebody in my family that had been killed or injured I'd want to know exactly what happened
You obviously care about your relations... it would seem that some people don't.....

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I think it's only right that all reports that were written at the time should be available for all to see. What does anybody have to hide? Not allowing people to see these reports only leads to speculation and anguish for the families concerned. If it was somebody in my family that had been killed or injured I'd want to know exactly what happened
You obviously care about your relations... it would seem that some people don't.....


http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Hillsb ... 16&bih=434

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http://www.epltalk.com/why-justice-need ... ilies-5822 press play....

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MR T wrote:
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I think it's only right that all reports that were written at the time should be available for all to see. What does anybody have to hide? Not allowing people to see these reports only leads to speculation and anguish for the families concerned. If it was somebody in my family that had been killed or injured I'd want to know exactly what happened
You obviously care about your relations... it would seem that some people don't.....


It was the first time I'd ever seen a grown man cry :sad:

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http://m.blog.hu/ns/nst/image/donelly/hillsborough-names.JPG

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/pdfs/sp ... orough.pdf

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this is on twitter just now............



Football fan? Interested in the truth about the Hillsborough disaster? Please sign this petition http://t.co/egA7Xs2 Please RT

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Dalglish urges supporters to back latest campaign for release of Hillsborough files

Last updated at 5:21 PM on 18th August 2011

Add to My Stories Share Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish has joined the growing list of people calling for the urgent release of the protected Hillsborough files.

A campaign has begun after the Cabinet Office said it was to appeal a ruling by the information commissioner which demanded the papers be made available.

Dalglish, who was the manager of Liverpool on the day of the disaster in 1989 and subsequently attended the funerals of many of the dead, used his official Twitter account to urge people to sign an e-petition calling for full disclosure.

He wrote: 'Please sign this petition and RT. Think it is very important that we support this.'

The petition, which is a registered on the government's website and has already been signed by 21,000 people, calls for 'full government disclosure and publication of all documents, discussions and reports relating to the 1989 Hillsborough disaster'.

Several members of parliament are also behind the push to see the files made available, with Labour MP for Leigh and former Culture Secretary Andy Burnham particularly vocal in his displeasure at the recent appeal against their release.

Mr Burnham, an Everton fan, took to Twitter, and said: 'Families must have the full truth. Nothing less will do. I will write to Prime Minister urging him to intervene & drop this appeal.' He signed off with '#jft96', which means 'Justice For The 96', a campaign in honour of those who died.

Steve Rotheram MP added: 'Andy Burnham MP, Merseyside MPs and I are to ask Cameron to intervene to get Hillsborough Cabinet minutes released. Transparent Government!!'

The judgement by the information commissioner related to a Freedom of Information request from the BBC which was refused by the Cabinet Office in 2009. The Cabinet Office said releasing the documents would interfere with the inquiry by the Hillsborough Independent Panel.

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The withheld files include reports seen by then-Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, correspondence between her office and the then-Home Secretary Douglas Hurd and minutes of meetings she attended.

Ninety-five supporters were killed in a crush of fans at the stadium in Sheffield during an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest in 1989, while another died three years later having been left in a coma.

Source; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... paign.html

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MR T wrote:
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I think the families deserve justice.

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In what way?
The truth would be nice and a simple acceptance that the powers to be got it wrong. made the wrong decisions


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