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No TDO, its you thats trying to mislead mate.

I'd said, that following my own experience, the practice of banning members, without offering credible reasons for the action taken when questioned by other members, is detrimental to the credibility of both the site and the administrators.

No mention was either made or implied that I was at any time banned from this site, maybe you should follow your own advice and read the posts made properly before you place a single finger on your keyboard.



Wrong again, moderated sections of T&PH were for Registered Users only, that policy was in place from day 1, members "registered" status was removed if they broke the rules, they then went on the unmoderated section and started slagging off the admin of the site, it was only after THEY had took that action that they were fully banned by their own IP address.

The problem is that people consider that they have some sort of right to be involved even on privately owned discussion groups, they don't. I have no right to contribute on here if either of the owners of this site decide that I shouldn't, the differance is that I wouldn't expect rules to be changed for my benefit.



Listen and will explain again, in language that is easy to understand.

The list produced shows plate values in restricted areas only, by excluding the fact that some plates retain a value even following derestriction and by failing to publish that information alongside what has been produced, only half a story is told, you are not making people who read the publication properly aware of all the available facts, that is why I consider the list to be misleading.

Many of the people I have discussed this list with have similar concerns, we'll let you publish fully however before we comment officially, while we applaud the effort made and agree that such information should be made available to all Licensing Authorities accross the UK, we must ensure that all related data should be included from as many Licensing Authorities as is possible, without such related data the list should be considered to demonstrate a bias in favour of the argument offered by the author.

B. Lucky

Im going to add my ten penneth (yes its been a slow week on the cabs).

I dont think this site has gagged anyone, the only person or people it seems to have banned are those who have broken the rules.

If anything the site has been very lenient towards certain people.

I also think the level of namecalling, swearing and abuse has reached a point where its no longer funny, its personal and detracting from the site itself. This maybe the intention of some, but personally I think the administrator should issue a general warning, then suspend and ban.

It seems to be the way that you only get the namecalling and disagreement when the issue of licenses is raised. Virtually everyone agrees on all other issues.

regards

Captain cab

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Perhaps you could ask your friend, or he could e-mail me, and answer the question I asked as to why he wanted to find confidential information on the founders of TDO.

What was the reason, was it to pass it on to others, or was he just trying to be clever?

As for the issue of banning IPs, this hasn't happened. But both you and Nigel know that.

Alex

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Your wisdom puts most of us in the shade Captain. Well said.

Best wishes

JD

JD is not one of the founders though TDO is he.

Please stop trying to be clever, we had discussions and emails and PM's when you and our friend started this site, remember the one where I wished you all the best and you replied that you were going to try different things after the demise of other taxi forum websites.

The problem is one of respect, I have been refered to using an actual name on more than one occasion, not so important to most maybe, but I believe I'm possibly infamous on the www in exactly the same way you and your mate are, therefore merely by using a name and place a number of people can be identified.

In another case recently, a member using the name Charlie the Paperlad was subjected to massive amounts of abuse from certain sectors of the membership, you yourself not excluded. In light of your recent actions do you not think that your "investigation" of another member was equally intrusive and equally potentially dangerous.

The real problem is that opinions are offered based on fact, or at least how facts are interpreted, in the main we all know that most arguments have at least two sides, and the facts contained within any actions are open to interpretation.
This isn't more evident than in the "derestriction" debate, the Captain is right its probably the ONLY area members on this site disagree to a great level.

I would therefore suggest that what the Captain proposed should be implimented with immediate effect, I for one am pig sick of being constantly accused of scaremongering for telling the situation as I see it in my own area, particularly when the biggest offender publishes incomplete lists in my name as a member of this site. It seems as though such people are seeking more problems than they offer solutions, it is because of this point that Nidge decidsed to investigate who this person was, after all we don't really know who anyone is do we.

Maybe we should be reluctant to contribute to a site where we don't know who will be GIVEN the posts that we make, as we don't know who owns the site and therefore can't be sure that we are not contributing to people who seek to manipulate the trade for their own gains and destroy the small businesses we have built.

B. Lucky

I find that last paragraph more difficult to grap than most.

I t is only an opinion but through difficult times, and by god over the last 2 years I have had some, JD AND sUSSEX HAVE PROVIDED invaluable help that pulled me through.

at one point I was on the brink of working full time inspecting bill boards, being an amway rep, or flogging Kleeneasy.

lies from Gateshead angel about my companies status (100% hackney carriage) did not help. if I get a heap of cash boyo I an going to sue you!

You I imagine, giving the amount of posts you've exchanged over the past few days.

I love the irony in your messages Yorkie, thing is I'm never sure if it's deliberate or not

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Instead of the Angel, it'll be the Gateshead Martyr.

Or the TDO 2.

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Well the action has been explained at length in other threads, please could you quote precisely which part of the explanation is causing you difficulties?

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OK, so you're agreeing that your description of T&PH as 'member only' was misleading.

But you also forgot that you changed the policy on several occassions, indeed in one period it was like the time when the UK had to leave the ERM.

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It's been pointed out to you umpteen times what the list comprises, and that the text accompanying the list mentions that saloon plates may retain a value where saloon numbers are restricted but WAVs are not.

For example, last month you said:

With regard your list, publish the [edited by admin], leave out information that doesn't suit your argument but do not come crying on here like a spoilt brat when what I have pointed out as prospective shortcomings are used to discredit not only the piece but also yourself

In reply I said:

The bottom line is that the list is one of LAs that restrict HC numbers and a related list of plate values within these LAs, where JD has been able to find relevant and credible information.

Gateshead doesn't restrict HC numbers, so it isn't on the list. It may restrict saloon HC numbers, but that's a different issue, albeit a similar one.

As for the ommission of saloon plate values in places like Gateshead that doesn't restrict HC numbers overall but does restrict saloon HC numbers, again that's a different but related issue, but the commentary accompanying the list is quite clear insofar as it recognises that in such locations saloon plates may retain a premium:

"Should a council decide to lift numbers and go for a policy of Quality rather than Quantity control, plate values will no longer be of relevance, except in the circumstances where H/C "saloon" vehicles are currently licensed. What transpires is that Saloon vehicles could retain a small plate premium because in some cases it is cheaper to buy an existing plated saloon vehicle, than a new quality expensive WAV vehicle."

So I'm quite sure that everyone is aware of what the list of restricted counils amounts to, and there is enough commentary on that issue and also the more limited list of plate values to inform readers that there are other issues (such as saloon plate values in Gateshead and elsewhere) which are clearly related to the paper's remit, but are outwith its scope.

You ingored that and now raise the same point again, as you've done again and again in relation to other debating points.

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Well it's published as fully as it'll ever be as far as I'm aware, I don't think you'll find it in Waterstone's or WH Smith.

So your and the people that you've discussed it with can now make your 'official comment'.

But I would advise the other people to actually read the document first.

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For the umpteenth time, what's published in the name of TDO, or contributed on the site has nothing to do with the members of the forum.

It will be clear to any objective reader that the members of the forum are each proffering their own views, and not the site's.

Again, to use the newspaper analogy, the forum is the readers' letters page.

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What do you mean by 'who will be GIVEN' the posts?

The whole world and their brother can read the posts, they don't have to be GIVEN by anyone.

What on earth are you on about?

By the way, de-restriction won't destroy any businesses that have been built, what it will get rid of is plate premiums, which aren't BUILT, they are the result of a cartel that closes entry to the market.

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When you said:

This site is good, possibly the best yet, but it is by no means perfect, through banning members (and I have learned this through experience) the credibility of the site will suffer greatly if the actions are not identified and properly explained to the membership.

...I thought you meant that you had learned about being banned through experience.

Please accept my apologies

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