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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:03 pm 
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you mean like heroin :roll:

what about marijuana isn't that used by the nhs

what about your favorite, alcohol,which does far more damage to this country than drugs do yet its legal

your just one of those guys who cant think for yourself



Oh I can, tis your good self who has that problem.

Class A & B drugs are used in some medicines that are used by the NHS, but they are used to provide pain relief, they are also regulated and checked to make sure some cheapo dealer hasn't cut it with rat poison etc, the dealers customer just seeks to get out of reality for a while,if he has no money the dealer then looks to take advantage of that situation, the NHS doesn't, it uses the product to provide care for those in pain, please don't try to justify those that get kids hooked up on purpose so they can make easy money, they are human traders plain and simple.


Have you been on the sauce again, because thinking like that means you must be on something? :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:07 pm 
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Doom wrote:
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you mean like heroin :roll:

what about marijuana isn't that used by the nhs

what about your favorite, alcohol,which does far more damage to this country than drugs do yet its legal

your just one of those guys who cant think for yourself



Oh I can, tis your good self who has that problem.

Class A & B drugs are used in some medicines that are used by the NHS, but they are used to provide pain relief, they are also regulated and checked to make sure some cheapo dealer hasn't cut it with rat poison etc, the dealers customer just seeks to get out of reality for a while,if he has no money the dealer then looks to take advantage of that situation, the NHS doesn't, it uses the product to provide care for those in pain, please don't try to justify those that get kids hooked up on purpose so they can make easy money, they are human traders plain and simple.


Have you been on the sauce again, because thinking like that means you must be on something? :roll:



Oh look, it's the wife from the family popped in just by coincidence :roll: to add backup to her man.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:11 pm 
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oh jeezuz

i didnt think someone could get to your age and remain so naive of what big business is and what we the people are seen as by these companies.

i mean what about all the drugs that have supposedly been tested and yet do serous damage or even kill people

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/us/14florida.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/009278.html

ill let you do your own research pal i dont know much about it,i dont have to there in business to make money they do that by selling drugs to the health care providers who receive remuneration for punting it onto us ,ive no doubt some drugs are good :wink: but some people like you perhaps just take whatever is prescribed to them


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:18 pm 
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remember this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

have they learnt

http://www.drugrecalls.com/component/co ... fects.html


do they care :?:


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:21 pm 
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oh jeezuz

i didnt think someone could get to your age and remain so naive of what big business is and what we the people are seen as by these companies.

i mean what about all the drugs that have supposedly been tested and yet do serous damage or even kill people

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/us/14florida.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/009278.html

ill let you do your own research pal i dont know much about it,i dont have to there in business to make money they do that by selling drugs to the health care providers who receive remuneration for punting it onto us ,ive no doubt some drugs are good :wink: but some people like you perhaps just take whatever is prescribed to them



Actually Ali I'm kinda a natural sort of bloke, I think the body was designed to fight for itself, when you introduce synthetic remedies the body slackens off.

I'm not naive at all, I see the damage illegal dealers do to people, they have no morality about them and everyone is a customer to them, what you might call a bought and paid for sold soul, life is a test, it might even be the real version of hell, what you do today you will probably be judged on later, and be careful what you say next as the Muslim folk who may be reading this have strong views on this.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:23 pm 
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I'll agree with you on those links Ali, but that is large corps doing what large corps do, although I'm not with you to allow street dealing, I do now take your point about the legal drug dealers who hide behind corp logos.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:42 pm 
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don't see the police going after these guys
don't see there assets being seized
or any of them doing time when there poison kills or mains the general population.

tobacco is the one that gets me the most
moral high ground,segregating smokers banning smoking in pubs etc,remember the anti smokers saying they would go into pubs more often if they were smoke free...well that was just a lie, cause the pubs are closing down because the people that used them don't feel welcome cant smoke in them and have opted out.

if its that bad why not ban it alltogether

because they make a fortune from tax thats why

bloody hypocrites the lot of them :badgrin:


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:50 pm 
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don't see the police going after these guys
don't see there assets being seized
or any of them doing time when there poison kills or mains the general population.

tobacco is the one that gets me the most
moral high ground,segregating smokers banning smoking in pubs etc,remember the anti smokers saying they would go into pubs more often if they were smoke free...well that was just a lie, cause the pubs are closing down because the people that used them don't feel welcome cant smoke in them and have opted out.

if its that bad why not ban it alltogether

because they make a fortune from tax thats why

bloody hypocrites the lot of them :badgrin:



Can't disagree there either tbh, the pub situation really rankles me because as usual it's messer's who say one thing and do another, and as you mention, where are all these folks that were going to the now smoke free pub, sat in front of the TV watching Emmerdale,Morse and all the other mush the TV provides these days, well at least normal TV anyway, only TV worth watching is Nat Geo,Discovery and The History Channel, but thats horses for courses I suppose, shall I learn about how Rome fell or watch some idiot playing up in a TV prison house for a month, hard choice really.


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:06 pm 
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Doom wrote:
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oh jeezuz

i didnt think someone could get to your age and remain so naive of what big business is and what we the people are seen as by these companies.

i mean what about all the drugs that have supposedly been tested and yet do serous damage or even kill people

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/us/14florida.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/009278.html

ill let you do your own research pal i dont know much about it,i dont have to there in business to make money they do that by selling drugs to the health care providers who receive remuneration for punting it onto us ,ive no doubt some drugs are good :wink: but some people like you perhaps just take whatever is prescribed to them



Actually Ali I'm kinda a natural sort of bloke, I think the body was designed to fight for itself, when you introduce synthetic remedies the body slackens off.

I'm not naive at all, I see the damage illegal dealers do to people, they have no morality about them and everyone is a customer to them, what you might call a bought and paid for sold soul, life is a test, it might even be the real version of hell, what you do today you will probably be judged on later, and be careful what you say next as the Muslim folk who may be reading this have strong views on this.


Ever wonder where 12 year old kids buy their cigarettes and bottles of cider in plastic bottles?
Usually from a street corner dealer who sells newspapers as well............. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:26 pm 
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we are costumers to the big companies and we are all brokered by politicians.
it stinks its the case of the big thief's hanging the little thief's


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:35 pm 
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When you consider that illegal drug's dealers don't want drugs to be legalised, and neither does the Government, you've got to ask yourself a question, who benefits, because it's certainly not the end user. :-|


You can follow the profits all the way from the private Pharmaceutical, drink and tobacco companies to the legal profession. It's only a matter of time before they privatise prisons like they do in America, and make money out of that as well.



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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:42 pm 
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In a capitalist system where everything is driven by profit, you can forget about morality or right or wrong. The Legal system may administer the law, but Justice is little to do with anything. It's all about profit. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:53 pm 
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I go along with most of what you have written and also to a degree your thoughts, mainly because I like yourself try to look at the overall big picture. Having said that I do not agree with the quote below.

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tobacco is the one that gets me the most
moral high ground,segregating smokers banning smoking in pubs etc,remember the anti smokers saying they would go into pubs more often if they were smoke free...well that was just a lie, cause the pubs are closing down because the people that used them don't feel welcome cant smoke in them and have opted out.



The above has happened not just down to apparently smokers stopping going to pubs, the proof in the pudding on that one is the amount of people that smoke outside of pubs in general and the hundreds that stand outside many establishments on a Friday and a Saturday night.

The reason the above has happened is because of the wage restraints that have gone on in this country for over three decades, culminating into 100s 0f 000s of minimum wage jobs that cannot afford to live and live the life. The main reasons also being is that the supermarkets can sell the same stuff at less than a £1 per pint but the breweries sell it to the licensees at a lot more than that who have to then sell it onto the customer at a much higher rate to make their profit. The two main greedy culprits being 1) the government (duty & vat) 2) the brewers ( when was the last time you saw one of those go bankrupt?). It has been exasperated by the lack of credit that many were also using to fund their nights out. The smoking ban did not help, and neither is it causing the closures.

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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:09 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
I go along with most of what you have written and also to a degree your thoughts, mainly because I like yourself try to look at the overall big picture. Having said that I do not agree with the quote below.

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tobacco is the one that gets me the most
moral high ground,segregating smokers banning smoking in pubs etc,remember the anti smokers saying they would go into pubs more often if they were smoke free...well that was just a lie, cause the pubs are closing down because the people that used them don't feel welcome cant smoke in them and have opted out.



The above has happened not just down to apparently smokers stopping going to pubs, the proof in the pudding on that one is the amount of people that smoke outside of pubs in general and the hundreds that stand outside many establishments on a Friday and a Saturday night.

The reason the above has happened is because of the wage restraints that have gone on in this country for over three decades, culminating into 100s 0f 000s of minimum wage jobs that cannot afford to live and live the life. The main reasons also being is that the supermarkets can sell the same stuff at less than a £1 per pint but the breweries sell it to the licensees at a lot more than that who have to then sell it onto the customer at a much higher rate to make their profit. The two main greedy culprits being 1) the government (duty & vat) 2) the brewers ( when was the last time you saw one of those go bankrupt?). It has been exasperated by the lack of credit that many were also using to fund their nights out. The smoking ban did not help, and neither is it causing the closures.


I agree. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Britain in 2011
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:26 pm 
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im sure its a combination of all those factors but having spent many years working in pubs.
i can assure you its bums on the seats that make money and most of the real drinkers smoked.
the pubs remained open in the 80's during hard times, in fact they were probably busier than the 90's 00's.
and breweries make most of their money from the exorbitant rents they charge on their buildings.

as for the supermarkets well they sell alcohol as a loss leader, so they can get punters in in the hope they buy other stuff.
and it works i wouldn't be surprised if the supermarkets were behind the smoking ban :-"


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