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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:30 pm 
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It has to be said, you never physically own the plate, you buy the ability to act as a cabby and the goodwill of existing custom, ok it's jumping a queue, but so it's the same when one company buys another, or in football it would be I've bought say Plymouth Argyle so I can be in the football league rather than have to start ground up and hope to win my way into the league, it happens in every field of business, it's only in the taxi trade some seem to have a problem with it, and to be extreme about it, if the taxi trade has to accept an un-regulated environment then that means nobody should ever be turned down when applying to open a bar as well and however many bars they want to open, it's the same principle, and when it's saturated to the point where men are fighting each other over a job and one pulls out a gun and shoots the other because he thought it was his job, whose going to explain to his widow how that situation was ever allowed to become?


Are you drinking on your meds again?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:35 pm 
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Doom wrote:
It has to be said, you never physically own the plate, you buy the ability to act as a cabby and the goodwill of existing custom, ok it's jumping a queue, but so it's the same when one company buys another, or in football it would be I've bought say Plymouth Argyle so I can be in the football league rather than have to start ground up and hope to win my way into the league, it happens in every field of business, it's only in the taxi trade some seem to have a problem with it, and to be extreme about it, if the taxi trade has to accept an un-regulated environment then that means nobody should ever be turned down when applying to open a bar as well and however many bars they want to open, it's the same principle, and when it's saturated to the point where men are fighting each other over a job and one pulls out a gun and shoots the other because he thought it was his job, whose going to explain to his widow how that situation was ever allowed to become?


Are you drinking on your meds again?


I assure you there are no meds, and no, I'm 4 days dry and another 3 to go before the swally equipment is brought out again. :D


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:49 pm 
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Doom wrote:
It has to be said, you never physically own the plate, you buy the ability to act as a cabby and the goodwill of existing custom, ok it's jumping a queue, but so it's the same when one company buys another, or in football it would be I've bought say Plymouth Argyle so I can be in the football league rather than have to start ground up and hope to win my way into the league, it happens in every field of business, it's only in the taxi trade some seem to have a problem with it, and to be extreme about it, if the taxi trade has to accept an un-regulated environment then that means nobody should ever be turned down when applying to open a bar as well and however many bars they want to open, it's the same principle, and when it's saturated to the point where men are fighting each other over a job and one pulls out a gun and shoots the other because he thought it was his job, whose going to explain to his widow how that situation was ever allowed to become?


How can you compare the pub industry to the public transport industry? There is almost no comparison.

A pub licence is not transferable, and the business is sold only on the condition the proprietor is issued with a new licence by the council.

The establishment is also subject to planning permission. You can't drive a pub around the streets picking up punters.

Oh and your "goodwill and existing custom" is a load of nonsense also. :-|


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:35 pm 
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Doom wrote:
It has to be said, you never physically own the plate, you buy the ability to act as a cabby and the goodwill of existing custom, ok it's jumping a queue, but so it's the same when one company buys another, or in football it would be I've bought say Plymouth Argyle so I can be in the football league rather than have to start ground up and hope to win my way into the league, it happens in every field of business, it's only in the taxi trade some seem to have a problem with it, and to be extreme about it, if the taxi trade has to accept an un-regulated environment then that means nobody should ever be turned down when applying to open a bar as well and however many bars they want to open, it's the same principle, and when it's saturated to the point where men are fighting each other over a job and one pulls out a gun and shoots the other because he thought it was his job, whose going to explain to his widow how that situation was ever allowed to become?


How can you compare the pub industry to the public transport industry? There is almost no comparison.

A pub licence is not transferable, and the business is sold only on the condition the proprietor is issued with a new licence by the council.

The establishment is also subject to planning permission. You can't drive a pub around the streets picking up punters.

Oh and your "goodwill and existing custom" is a load of nonsense also. :-|



1 - It's unit comparison.

2 - Yes it is, if I wanted a pub and the LL didn't want to go but would for a good drink it's the same.

3 - Granted, but my point is how can you limit one i.e pub, and then say all can have the other, it's still a business that requires a license.

4 - How so? who buys a business if there is no custom, you buy to be able to serve existing custom, hence the goodwill.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:41 pm 
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skull wrote:
How can you compare the pub industry to the public transport industry? There is almost no comparison.


You can compare anything with anything you like. It's quite a good comparison imo. Both have owers that don't do the actual work, both are required to be licensed, both licenses can be removed by the licensing office, both require a 'fit & proper' person to hold said trading/drivers license and both can be regulated as to how many fit into an area, both have standards attached to licensed property/vehicle.

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You can't drive a pub around the streets picking up punters.


Now you're just being infantile :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:38 pm 
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skull wrote:
How can you compare the pub industry to the public transport industry? There is almost no comparison.


You can compare anything with anything you like. It's quite a good comparison imo. Both have owers that don't do the actual work, both are required to be licensed, both licenses can be removed by the licensing office, both require a 'fit & proper' person to hold said trading/drivers license and both can be regulated as to how many fit into an area, both have standards attached to licensed property/vehicle.

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You can't drive a pub around the streets picking up punters.


Now you're just being infantile :roll:


The council doesn't restrict publican operating licenses as they issue a new licence subject to application.

The building is subject to planning permission as a licensed premises which is a whole different ball game to licensing taxis and picking up punters.

A building is fixed a taxi is mobile



You are being ridiculous. #-o


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:48 pm 
Skull wrote:

The council doesn't restrict publican operating licenses as they issue a new licence subject to application.

The building is subject to planning permission as a licensed premises which is a whole different ball game to licensing taxis and picking up punters.

A building is in a fixed a taxi is mobile



But the comparisons are there though, working your way says nobody should deny me anything I desire regardless of the impact of it.

Now seriously and this isn't a dig or ridicule, me and you have been able to converse recently in a much better way than we used to, however I read between the lines a very bitter man towards life in general, is that a fair summary, or is it just how it reads? if it is fair you need to go see at least the Doctor, I say this because I have a mate who is very much the same and but for the pills he takes he would be dead by his own hand by now, I used to call him Suicide in response to the abuse he'd hand me out, he is an up and down, it's either head in hand severely depressed or dancing around like Harry Hill and the Big Yin rolled into one, if you see yourself there, get help, and that is genuine I'm not taking the pee this time.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:51 pm 
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Doom wrote:
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Doom wrote:
It has to be said, you never physically own the plate, you buy the ability to act as a cabby and the goodwill of existing custom, ok it's jumping a queue, but so it's the same when one company buys another, or in football it would be I've bought say Plymouth Argyle so I can be in the football league rather than have to start ground up and hope to win my way into the league, it happens in every field of business, it's only in the taxi trade some seem to have a problem with it, and to be extreme about it, if the taxi trade has to accept an un-regulated environment then that means nobody should ever be turned down when applying to open a bar as well and however many bars they want to open, it's the same principle, and when it's saturated to the point where men are fighting each other over a job and one pulls out a gun and shoots the other because he thought it was his job, whose going to explain to his widow how that situation was ever allowed to become?


How can you compare the pub industry to the public transport industry? There is almost no comparison.

A pub licence is not transferable, and the business is sold only on the condition the proprietor is issued with a new licence by the council.

The establishment is also subject to planning permission. You can't drive a pub around the streets picking up punters.

Oh and your "goodwill and existing custom" is a load of nonsense also. :-|



1 - It's unit comparison.

2 - Yes it is, if I wanted a pub and the LL didn't want to go but would for a good drink it's the same.

3 - Granted, but my point is how can you limit one i.e pub, and then say all can have the other, it's still a business that requires a license.

4 - How so? who buys a business if there is no custom, you buy to be able to serve existing custom, hence the goodwill.



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1 - It's unit comparison.


What, buildings to vehicles? Get a grip.


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2 - Yes it is, if I wanted a pub and the LL didn't want to go but would for a good drink it's the same.

No. The new proprietor has to apply for a new licence in his name. The building is subject to planning permission as a licensed premises.

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3 - Granted, but my point is how can you limit one i.e pub, and then say all can have the other, it's still a business that requires a license.


Buildings are fixed due to space and suitability, not public demand.

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4 - How so? who buys a business if there is no custom, you buy to be able to serve existing custom, hence the goodwill.


Goodwill is a pipe dream, you wouldn't be saying that if you'd just spent 40K, and the council de-restricted the next again day.

You can't quantify goodwill. It's like me saying give me 40k, for wishing you all the best. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:36 pm 
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Now seriously and this isn't a dig or ridicule, me and you have been able to converse recently in a much better way than we used to, however I read between the lines a very bitter man towards life in general, is that a fair summary, or is it just how it reads?


Indeed, and there's no other people bitter towards life on here at all :roll:


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if it is fair you need to go see at least the Doctor, I say this because I have a mate who is very much the same and but for the pills he takes he would be dead by his own hand by now, I used to call him Suicide in response to the abuse he'd hand me out, he is an up and down, it's either head in hand severely depressed or dancing around like Harry Hill and the Big Yin rolled into one, if you see yourself there, get help, and that is genuine I'm not taking the pee this time


Sounds like bipolar disorder, or what used to be called manic depressive.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:41 pm 
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Skull wrote:
You can't quantify goodwill.


Strictly speaking it's the value of a business in excess of its assets.

So if a taxi firm sold for £200,000 but the vehicles and equipment are only worth £50,000 then the goodwill is £150,000.

But of course if any of the £150,000 is due to restricted numbers then that isn't proper goodwill beause it's merely due to the closed market.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:51 pm 
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Doom wrote:
Skull wrote:

The council doesn't restrict publican operating licenses as they issue a new licence subject to application.

The building is subject to planning permission as a licensed premises which is a whole different ball game to licensing taxis and picking up punters.

A building is in a fixed a taxi is mobile



But the comparisons are there though, working your way says nobody should deny me anything I desire regardless of the impact of it.

Now seriously and this isn't a dig or ridicule, me and you have been able to converse recently in a much better way than we used to, however I read between the lines a very bitter man towards life in general, is that a fair summary, or is it just how it reads? if it is fair you need to go see at least the Doctor, I say this because I have a mate who is very much the same and but for the pills he takes he would be dead by his own hand by now, I used to call him Suicide in response to the abuse he'd hand me out, he is an up and down, it's either head in hand severely depressed or dancing around like Harry Hill and the Big Yin rolled into one, if you see yourself there, get help, and that is genuine I'm not taking the pee this time.


Listen, I could draw on comparisons and see similarities in all sorts of things but there comes a point where it becomes ridiculous, pubs and taxis don't even come close. :roll:

And trust me, if you knew me as others know me, "head to head," you would not see me as being bitter and twisted but a realist, through experience. I don't need rose-tinted spectacle's or a taxi plate to feel good about life. I leave that to guys like you. #-o


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:02 pm 
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skull wrote:
The building is subject to planning permission as a licensed premises which is a whole different ball game to licensing taxis and picking up punters.


That's as maybe but it is still a licensed premises and that license can be removed and is a bugger to back if it is removed. Same goes with any licensed premises. I know an application for a casino here was turned down because the population doesn't warrant 2 casinos

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:11 pm 
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Skull wrote:
You can't quantify goodwill.


Strictly speaking it's the value of a business in excess of its assets.

So if a taxi firm sold for £200,000 but the vehicles and equipment are only worth £50,000 then the goodwill is £150,000.

But of course if any of the £150,000 is due to restricted numbers then that isn't proper goodwill beause it's merely due to the closed market.


Strictly speaking, goodwill, is a bullshit term which is especially the case when it comes to licence plates you don't own. :-|


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:21 pm 
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toots wrote:
skull wrote:
The building is subject to planning permission as a licensed premises which is a whole different ball game to licensing taxis and picking up punters.


That's as maybe but it is still a licensed premises and that license can be removed and is a bugger to back if it is removed. Same goes with any licensed premises. I know an application for a casino here was turned down because the population doesn't warrant 2 casinos


And that's where the comparison ends, both are licensed by the council. What a great comparison, they are so similar as to be almost identical-not. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It's a bit like comparing apples and bananas because they come under the category of fruit.


Deary me . . . :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:29 am 
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toots wrote:
skull wrote:
The building is subject to planning permission as a licensed premises which is a whole different ball game to licensing taxis and picking up punters.


That's as maybe but it is still a licensed premises and that license can be removed and is a bugger to back if it is removed. Same goes with any licensed premises. I know an application for a casino here was turned down because the population doesn't warrant 2 casinos


And that's where the comparison ends, both are licensed by the council. What a great comparison, they are so similar as to be almost identical-not. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

It's a bit like comparing apples and bananas because they come under the category of fruit.


Deary me . . . :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:



The comparison is both serve a peaks and troughs public, both are licensed, both don't need nor want unlimited competition because that becomes saturation, saturation becomes poor service and or the bankruptcy court, not to mention poor maintenance of the equipment.


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