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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:02 pm 
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Wait a minute, maybe yer’ message is mare’ cryptic than I first thought !. Lets see... “Yer gonnae’ meet someone on Oct 6”. Holy Feck !... That’s ma’ 2 Rotweillers no’ gettin’ fed after Oct 3 !. ( hope you’re reading this Dougie, watch yer’ back mate )
So Oct 6th is De-restriction day!!! I better sell the furniture, house, car, scrap the Taxi, clear out the bank accounts!!! Or did you mean watch out for a personel attack of some sort? Can I have your rottweillers for a couple of weeks. It makes you wonder what world Skull is living in? When you look at him he looks Right Wing lol. Maybe Skull regrets leaving our world when he sold out for profit, ye know " if only I'd not sold", he sold because he really believes he is superior, this mission started when his Mugs and T-shirt venture collasped. Superiors who fail are dangerous, hopefully in this case he self harms!!! I will be watching my back though, taylor and skull have already met with the opposition, with those 2 you never know.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:06 pm 
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Wait a minute, maybe yer’ message is mare’ cryptic than I first thought !. Lets see... “Yer gonnae’ meet someone on Oct 6”. Holy Feck !... That’s ma’ 2 Rotweillers no’ gettin’ fed after Oct 3 !. ( hope you’re reading this Dougie, watch yer’ back mate )
So Oct 6th is De-restriction day!!! I better sell the furniture, house, car, scrap the Taxi, clear out the bank accounts!!! Or did you mean watch out for a personel attack of some sort? Can I have your rottweillers for a couple of weeks. It makes you wonder what world Skull is living in? When you look at him he looks Right Wing lol. Maybe Skull regrets leaving our world when he sold out for profit, ye know " if only I'd not sold", he sold because he really believes he is superior, this mission started when his Mugs and T-shirt venture collasped. Superiors who fail are dangerous, hopefully in this case he self harms!!! I will be watching my back though, taylor and skull have already met with the opposition, with those 2 you never know.



Dougie, tell us about the time you lost the plot and what caused it? :-|


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:22 pm 
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Making things up now Skull :roll: If not you have the wrong guy :roll: Care to enlighten the forum of the Story of me or someone losing the plot :roll: I'm not the kind of guy to lose the plot as proven within all my posts :D

Sitting back so come on write me and the forum a story, bedtime story :lol: :lol: :lol:

Then there was the time you did lose the plot :roll: slap happy i hear :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:19 pm 
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Making things up now Skull :roll: If not you have the wrong guy :roll: Care to enlighten the forum of the Story of me or someone losing the plot :roll: I'm not the kind of guy to lose the plot as proven within all my posts :D

Sitting back so come on write me and the forum a story, bedtime story :lol: :lol: :lol:

Then there was the time you did lose the plot :roll: slap happy i hear :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



What, you've never had psychiatric help, I don't think anyone believes that. Perhaps, this is your chance to show the Doctor your medallion moment. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:47 pm 
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Let's consider there is more than one reality, your objective reality, the way things are, and your subjective reality, what you want to believe. The real world or the dream world, there are other worlds and dimensions open to philosophical debate but let's not theorise too much and deal with the present, time being our level playing field.

Now what the fu*k don't you see about your precious taxi trade? Am I dreaming, or are you working a ridiculous number of hours, in a low-paid industry, with little protection from your council or the public, with almost no control over pay and conditions? :-|


Subjective reality is not how you want things to be it is how you perceive things to be. It is coloured by the opinion of the speaker/writer. In this case you. That's not to say what you believe isn't true, it may well be, but for it to be objective there would have to be more solid evidence than your opinion that it is true. Objective reality is the kind of reality a rock will live in human beings tend to live in a subjective reality because we have emotions, experiences and beliefs.

Imo and of course it is only my opinion you appear to be aggrandizing the subject matter by using such words as 'objective' and 'subjective' reality and then having the audacity to define what you mean, as if we're not completely comprehending what you're on about. To add insult to injury you didn't even define it accurately ffs. Apart from all that objective and subjective reality are discussions that make up scientific debate they're not words to be flung about a taxi forum to make you look impressive


If you read my first sentence, I think you will find I said, your “subjective reality, and what you want to believe and not “ how you want things to be."

I then qualified objective and subjective reality within the narrow confines of a question directly relating to working in the taxi trade at the moment.

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Am I dreaming, or are you working a ridiculous number of hours, in a low-paid industry, with little protection from your council or the public, with almost no control over pay and conditions?


Objective and subjective reality is discussed on many forums, Science, Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, etc.

One might say a screwball like you toots, has read a whole lot into something that wasn't there. Where's the evidence for calling you a screwball, right under your very nose and in your own writing. :lol:

Your man problem's never far away, is it toots?


There you again with that imaginary man problem you should seek help to get it out of your mind because it doesn't exist. You said "Am I dreaming, or are you working a ridiculous number of hours, in a low-paid industry, with little protection from your council or the public, with almost no control over pay and conditions?" so that would be your subjective reality clouded by your experiences and beliefs of what you think the taxi trade is all about now. As I said you could well be right about it but it is how you perceive things to be and not necessarily the case for everybody so therefore it's not objective. How can you have an objective view of the taxi trade when there are so many variables

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:45 pm 
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There you again with that imaginary man problem you should seek help to get it out of your mind because it doesn't exist. You said "Am I dreaming, or are you working a ridiculous number of hours, in a low-paid industry, with little protection from your council or the public, with almost no control over pay and conditions?" so that would be your subjective reality clouded by your experiences and beliefs of what you think the taxi trade is all about now. As I said you could well be right about it but it is how you perceive things to be and not necessarily the case for everybody so therefore it's not objective. How can you have an objective view of the taxi trade when there are so many variables


What you are talking about is subjective reality relative to your own personal circumstance. The key here is looking at the trade in general, as an impartial observer to your industry. Not easy in some cases, granted, as our personal experiences can colour our judgement, but that's where a debate comes into play, and a consensus developed.

You simply use criteria, which allows you to make general comparisons to define your trade. If you had the money, you could survey almost everyone in the industry.

For example, if you need evidence you only have to compare take-home pay to hours worked. And compare that to someone working a forty-hour week, on the national minimum wage. Overall, you will be able to work out if you're working in a low-paid industry. :-|


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:20 pm 
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I don't think there is much chance of an impartial debate about taxis with taxi drivers, but, good luck :wink: For what it's worth I enjoy the job when I get chance to do it now. I've always enjoyed it and it's something I wanted to do for a long time before I finally took the plunge. I did try the taxi side but those god forsaken WAVs are truely horrible to drive so now I drive a nice comfy saloon on ph. I earn good money and I've not had much if any flack from licensing in fact they're really quite helpful whenever I've spoken with them. I also appreciate that my reality is not the same as anybody else and that my opinion is very subjective and that's how I like it :D

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:44 pm 
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I don't think there is much chance of an impartial debate about taxis with taxi drivers, but, good luck :wink: For what it's worth I enjoy the job when I get chance to do it now. I've always enjoyed it and it's something I wanted to do for a long time before I finally took the plunge. I did try the taxi side but those god forsaken WAVs are truely horrible to drive so now I drive a nice comfy saloon on ph. I earn good money and I've not had much if any flack from licensing in fact they're really quite helpful whenever I've spoken with them. I also appreciate that my reality is not the same as anybody else and that my opinion is very subjective and that's how I like it :D


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my opinion is very subjective and that's how I like it


Really, you don't say, and here's me thinking you are the least bias brutally honest person on this forum, and not just some attention-seeking space cadet. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:55 pm 
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I don't think there is much chance of an impartial debate about taxis with , but, good luck :wink: For what it's worth I enjoy the job when I get chance to do it now. I've always enjoyed it and it's something I wanted to do for a long time before I finally took the plunge. I did try the taxi side but those god forsaken WAVs are truely horrible to drive so now I drive a nice comfy saloon on ph. I earn good money and I've not had much if any flack from licensing in fact they're really quite helpful whenever I've spoken with them. I also appreciate that my reality is not the same as anybody else and that my opinion is very subjective and that's how I like it :D


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my opinion is very subjective and that's how I like it


Really, you don't say, and here's me thinking you are the least bias brutally honest person on this forum, and not just some attention-seeking space cadet. :roll:


Nah I'll leave the attention seeking to you as your need is greater than mine. It must be cos you keep producing the same discussions but with a different approach. I'd like to see you have an unbiased opinion :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:50 pm 
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The measure of a truth on this forum is when a question alluding to the truth remains unchallenged.

You say you “ earn good money” without giving a shred of evidence to back it up. And that you've “ not had much if any flack from licensing” as if, this is evidence of having rights and protection if something serious happened.

I would describe the above as a taxi drivers bubble. This is what you want to believe because the alternative is seeing yourself working in a low-paid industry, with little protection from your council or the public, with almost no control over pay and conditions, for all intents, a second-class citizen.

I know guys that earn, what some would consider, good money but when you break that down into hours worked, it's between sixty to eighty hours a week at around the national minimum wage, without even looking at sick pay, holiday pay, pensions or time off the road.

I've also written letters for guys and told them what to say at interview, with the Police, the Cab Inspector and the council to keep their licence. I know for a fact. They see their actions as kissing ass but what's the alternative, when you have no rights to speak of.

Your “How can you have an objective view of the taxi trade when there are so many variables” is simply a bullshit answer to avoid objective reality.


And you did say, “my opinion is very subjective and that's how I like it “ I don't think anyone could argue with that. #-o

It appears your choice is the Dream World, Toots. #-o


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With turnover down and fuel prices up my ration is down around 1:5.

Even on a busy weekend night the ratio doesn't get above 1:6 plus.

What part of the game is fecked do the dimwits not understand.

It's one thing to buy a job, to spend your sheckels on servitude, but its another to deny others the right to determine their own efficiency.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:50 pm 
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With turnover down and fuel prices up my ration is down around 1:5.

Even on a busy weekend night the ratio doesn't get above 1:6 plus.

What part of the game is fecked do the dimwits not understand.

It's one thing to buy a job, to spend your sheckels on servitude, but its another to deny others the right to determine their own efficiency.


Jas, the reason is because fuel is 35% higher, that's why your ratio has fallen, nothing to do with anything else, £4.40 is now £6.40.

The game is fecked I agree, but can't you see the fact they are still queuing up for a drive says there's nothing else out there.


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The measure of a truth on this forum is when a question alluding to the truth remains unchallenged.


If it remains unchallenged it will be a measure of the author, perhaps people don't think you are worth debating with, same sh*t different day kinda of thing :-|

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You say you “ earn good money” without giving a shred of evidence to back it up. And that you've “ not had much if any flack from licensing” as if, this is evidence of having rights and protection if something serious happened.


You're dead right I don't provide evidence, who the hell are you to require evidence. I don't care if you believe me :lol:

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I would describe the above as a taxi drivers bubble. This is what you want to believe because the alternative is seeing yourself working in a low-paid industry, with little protection from your council or the public, with almost no control over pay and conditions, for all intents, a second-class citizen.


I'd describe most things you say as bubble. YOU would like to be right about all drivers earning below minimum wage for the hours they work, but, you're not. It may well be a low paid industry for some

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I know guys that earn, what some would consider, good money but when you break that down into hours worked, it's between sixty to eighty hours a week at around the national minimum wage, without even looking at sick pay, holiday pay, pensions or time off the road.


Unfortunately I'd say most of us know guys like this

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I've also written letters for guys and told them what to say at interview, with the Police, the Cab Inspector and the council to keep their licence. I know for a fact. They see their actions as kissing ass but what's the alternative, when you have no rights to speak of.


Good for you

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It appears your choice is the Dream World, Toots.


It may be a dream world for you Skull, something unobtainable but for me I'm happy as a pig in sh*t in my little 'dream world' :D

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So an air head with man problems living in a dream world it is then, I suppose that's a truth of sorts. :shock: #-o If you're happy, I am over the moon. :)


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So an air head with man problems living in a dream world it is then, I suppose that's a truth of sorts. :shock: #-o If you're happy, I am over the moon. :)


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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