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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:56 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Sorry sussex, I have to disagree.

Buses and trains are part of public transport, they should never have gone into private hands at all.

They are solely there to provide transport, they are not there, in my belief, to earn money. If this was the case then why not privatise the health service, or stop paying your poll tax / council tax and employ someone else to empty your bins. Or privatise the police and put them out to tender.

I'm not sure you are disagreeing with me. :?

Whether buses and trains are better in the private sector is, as you say, a moot point. The Angel was comparing those sell-offs to taxi de-restriction.

And, as is par for the course of late, he is 100% incorrect.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 9:57 pm 
MR T wrote:
There can be no doubt that the service the taxi offers has changed, quite dramatically, during the past even 30 years. Taxi users have changed. Yet in many areas the taxi service has not changed, indded where it has changed the trade itself has only done so by digging in their heels and saying no.
cap.
please would you clarify this point.....mr T



Well, lets see if we can see where the changes are and see if we aggree.

In my area the pubs by and large are empty for drinking and if there is no food are completely dead.

by and large people now drink at home and go out to eat.

The yougsters do not stay in suburban towns but go to bigger towns!

There are more elderly using the taxis, and although figures from our ranks are rising now, it follows a 10 year decline since the mobile phones were used by the masses.

we find disabled people get out far more, but shopping taxis are in decline

more taxis are picking up on the streets as opposed to ranks.

more packages are going by taxis.

pick up from rail stations are up

airport pick ups are rising

is this true elsewhere?


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Yorkie wrote:
but shopping taxis are in decline

I agree with most, but in my manor this sourse of punters has increased dramatically. \:D/

I also find that those poor students use more cabs than in the past, and there are many many more of them. :D

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:06 pm 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
Yorkie wrote:
we need no formula.


I think what you mean is you, and your like, need no formula.

This is because you want to be in a position of power over the trade. I [edited by admin] you off because I want the power to stay with the workers, with power removed from these leeching PH operators who feed off OUR hard work.

Now get back to your little empire and leave the real taxi world to those that know.

You wanksplash.

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me and my like need no formula and whatever formula is put in, me and my like will still get the licenses we need to do the job.

thats because the law says me and my like can have those licenses, and every time they are granted to me and my like, the more councils will need to dump any formula that is put in.

me and my like will not shirk the challenges ahead, and me and my like do not need ranks either.

we will give you a wave on passing with cab loads of passengers that you and your like declined to give a service to.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:07 pm 
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Mr T,

To clarify the point I make,

there is a tendancy for the HC trade when the issue of delimitation of numbers arises to dig its heels in and say no, very often, no, is the response even when its obvious more HC's are needed.

Surely a policy where the trade dont back themselves against a wall is better, where they say to LA's, well here's the problem as we see it, this is how we should arrive at a solution that will be of benefit to everyone.

concerning the public, once upon a time it used to be the well off getting taxis, now we find that our biggest customers are those considered less well off. Yorkie has been saying since i came to this site about the population growing older, some of our best customers are pensioners, yet the younger population see taxis as more convenient than buses too.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:12 pm 
Sussex wrote:
Yorkie wrote:
but shopping taxis are in decline

I agree with most, but in my manor this sourse of punters has increased dramatically. \:D/

I also find that those poor students use more cabs than in the past, and there are many many more of them. :D



as you may tell from my spelling, we have no university but have a college, your colleagues in the PRIVATE HIRE SECTOR (NOTE TO OUR gateshead contributor who does not understand that I am a registered Taxi opperator and opperator license holder for taxis)

do those, school students have reduced to the 28 million yellow bus scheme opening in West Yorkshire, and a good scheme it is too.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:19 pm 
captain cab wrote:
Mr T,

To clarify the point I make,

there is a tendency for the HC trade when the issue of delimitation of numbers arises to dig its heels in and say no, very often, no, is the response even when its obvious more HC's are needed.

Surely a policy where the trade don't back themselves against a wall is better, where they say to La's, well here's the problem as we see it, this is how we should arrive at a solution that will be of benefit to everyone.

concerning the public, once upon a time it used to be the well off getting taxis, now we find that our biggest customers are those considered less well off. Yorkie has been saying since i came to this site about the population growing older, some of our best customers are pensioners, yet the younger population see taxis as more convenient than buses too.

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Captain cab


hooray!

its about time we stopped knee jerk reactions, that pin us to the wall.

blanket opposition Leeds to unacceptable policies passed where a more intelligent response would lead to a more acceptable route being available.

for me you can have limit by numbers for I care not one jot, but it will strangle the taxi trade, and private hire sheer numbers are moving in.

the important thing is that I get the taxi licenses I need to do my job.

that I can do limit by numbers or not

it does leave others though reeling by its unfairness, and yes unfair it is.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:24 pm 
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me and my like will not shirk the challenges ahead, and me and my like do not need ranks either.


Ok then Yorkie licence Private Hire.

This is what [edited by admin] me off, you claim there is unmet demand from the ranks in one breath THEN say you don't work the ranks cause there is work elsewhere.

That work elsewhere is PH work.

The two reasons you want HC plates are 1. you can charge more for them and 2. you can force those working independatly to work for you by flooding the ranks.

Lastly if you chose to refer to me in any other way than as Gateshead Angel I will publish your name and address on more sites than here.

Now, crawl back to your little 15 car PH office.

B. Lucky :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:36 pm 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
Yorkie wrote:
me and my like will not shirk the challenges ahead, and me and my like do not need ranks either.


Ok then Yorkie license Private Hire.

This is what [edited by admin] me off, you claim there is unmet demand from the ranks in one breath THEN say you don't work the ranks cause there is work elsewhere.

That work elsewhere is PH work.

The two reasons you want HC plates are 1. you can charge more for them and 2. you can force those working independently to work for you by flooding the ranks.

Lastly if you chose to refer to me in any other way than as Gateshead Angel I will publish your name and address on more sites than here.

Now, crawl back to your little 15 car PH office.

B. Lucky :evil:



15 eh?

gawd yer know nothing not nearly as many as that!

we don't work from ranks pal, because the demand is not there, quite simply that!

and as I said and I wont let you deviate from facts, I am a licensed taxi operator, not many of them in the UK, quite simply because to run taxis as pods yer don't need one!

its about time we in the taxi trade moved to modern ways, modern methods and modern law.

if Mr Dean had an operation here he would not find me the pushover he finds you.

you are putty in his hands and there is no need for it, none at all.

now please stop taking your bad day out on me, I did not cause it!


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:54 pm 
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if Mr Dean had an operation here he would not find me the pushover he finds you.


I cannot and wont really comment on this, however Yorkie has on at least one occassion pointed out how a hackney carriage, in being able to ply for hire, and accept immediate hires, can lead to a lack of confidence in a phone service.

It takes time, effort and leads, at the start, to a reduction in earnings.

The major problem here is that primarily only GA knows what he is dealing with. There may be more than meets the obvious eye and for those reasons perhaps GA would be unwise to state the reasons he wont follow your sound advice.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:07 am 
Who said life was fair, we all have to use our business skills to get on in lift

Yrokie.
well,lets see if
same hear ,but alot more w.a.v. work for cabs.

Cap. I understand, ..But when I started everyone was old ,now I am old as well.

O.K Yokie I know you ooperate buses, but what are you then private/hire or public/hire, just like to know who I am speaking to ,no disrespct as you know I am public/hire....

I am working with our council ,with members of the private/hire both drivers and company owners, public/hire fleet owners and owner drivers
and drivers with the licencing officer to formulate a ongoing system,
that will evaluate on a year to year basis unmetdemand, if we can put together something that we all can live with ,then at least it is fair....pardon the pun..........mr T .........


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:17 am 
well Mr T the confusion has not been by me but those who think they know my operation but dont.

my entire fleet is Hackney Carriage, and I am licensed by the traffic commission to opperate taxis. that means I CAN RUN TAXIS ON BUS ROUTES thats all.

we run taxis, taxi share schemes and taxis on bus routes

all taxis, all public hire,


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:23 am 
Yorkie wrote:
well Mr T the confusion has not been by me but those who think they know my operation but dont.

my entire fleet is Hackney Carriage, and I am licensed by the traffic commission to opperate taxis. that means I CAN RUN TAXIS ON BUS ROUTES thats all.

we run taxis, taxi share schemes and taxis on bus routes

all taxis, all public hire,


ALL TAXIS DOING PRIVATE HIRE WORK, WITH DRIVERS ACTIVELY DISCOURAGED FROM WORKING FROM RANKS, AN AREA WHERE THE SAME PERSON CLAIMS THERE IS UNMET DEMAND.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:01 am 
there is no such thing as private hire work in public hire vehicles now take your predjudices elsewhere

never heard such crap in my life!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:46 am 
Yorkie wrote:
there is no such thing as private hire work in public hire vehicles now take your predjudices elsewhere

never heard such crap in my life!


We get to close to the truth when when burks like you start calling what we are saying crap.

You could conduct your business using PH vehicles and drivers, but you choose to use HC as it is easier to charge more.

Q.How much do you pay your drivers ?
Yorkie answer. non of your business.

Q. How much do your owner drivers pay in office rent?
YA. non of your business

I would say, and we are forced to guess instead of being told the truth, that the drivers get minimum wage for the hours they work and say 50% of any street work they do, but as they are sitting outside churches and bingo halls that'll not be much. The owner drivers I would say will be paying around £120 a week for the privalidge.

Q. Do the owner drivers have a vehicle when they join your company or do you provide them for sale?
YA. non of your business

Q. If thats the case how much do you charge, anywhere near £100 per week over 5 years?
YA. non of your business


I would suggest that the reason Yorkie the wanksplash, doesn't want people to know how much of a leech he is on the trade, he could carry out his business using PH vehicles but he will make signifigantly more money by leeching off the HC trade.

The sad thing is that people believe it is fair that he is able to exploit his drivers and the trade in this way.


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