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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:48 am 
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Aye....and gary could of course be talking sh*te :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:49 am 
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Have you ever seen a SUD being done?

It has folks marking boards to see how long wait times are, if there are no wait times there's no demand, how hard is that to grasp, it's not a Columbian election by AK47 ffs #-o



I've gone one better. I was once involved in a survey, setting it up, carrying it out compiling and analysing the data. What you are talking about is a simple observational study with clickers and a stop watch.

How about a questionnaire carried out by asking people waiting at ranks or perhaps acquiring the taxi companies phone data?

Professor Cooper even suggested following the same methodology as Halcrow, but monitoring the ranks at different times. You could then present your data as being a more up-to-date survey.

The truth is Doom, you don't have a fecking clue. #-o



Last time that happened was when they banned smoking in pubs, all those non smokers who were going to the pub if it was smoke free, result is 50% less pubs now and another 50% about to die soon.

The truth is Skull you are bitter and also don't have a clue, what do you do when you have to wait in line at the post office or bank, demand the manager takes on more staff?

Jeeeez Skull you need to move to Russia.


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:54 am 
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Aye....and gary could of course be talking sh*te :lol:



Google, Survey Methodology and see what you can find. A proper survey with accurate results means a little more than standing at a rank for a couple of hours with a clicker and stopwatch. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:58 am 
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Skull wrote:
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Aye....and gary could of course be talking sh*te :lol:



Google, Survey Methodology and see what you can find. A proper survey with accurate results means a little more than standing at a rank for a couple of hours with a clicker and stopwatch. :-|



as I said....it could be gary making it all up.

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:00 am 
Well I'm off to war, MW3, I feel like letting the killer in me out for a few hours, tara folks. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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Doom, did you actually read what I wrote? I'm not making it up, I am telling you the truth. It matters not a jot to me what you think, but it is the truth. You could well be right about pubs and smoking bans but what we are talking about here is survey methodology and how accurate the data is.

Rank surveys are a joke. You could set up cameras to monitor demand specific to peak times and then where would you be? What about the period of time the survey is over, if my survey went all the way through the summer months during the Edinburgh festival, the New Year celebrations and any period of bad weather in-between. What do you think the result would be? :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:23 am 
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captain cab wrote:
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Aye....and gary could of course be talking sh*te :lol:



Google, Survey Methodology and see what you can find. A proper survey with accurate results means a little more than standing at a rank for a couple of hours with a clicker and stopwatch. :-|



as I said....it could be gary making it all up.

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No, I couldn't be making it all up because it's the truth. If you have any doubt you can research what I have said for yourself. No one is stopping you. Then you can come back and tell me where I have it wrong.

I spoke to Professor Cooper at the Edinburgh University building when it was based in Spy-law Road and posed a number of questions to him concerning methodology of a survey and accuracy of the results. :-| I even gave him a run down to the Waverley train station after our meeting. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:05 am 
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I do’t know where you’re comming from Skull. You’re forever telling us that the Taxi Trade is fecked, The money is garbage etc .... ( Kinda’ suggests that there’s no great demand ).
But then you argue that if a proper more thorough survey was carried out, demand would be established. Make your mind up, or better still get tae’ a Doctor and get yer’ mind fixed.

Btw, nobody disputes who you have and havent spoken to. It's the listening/understanding part that you seem to have difficulty with..

(Apologise for putting this in another thread)


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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I do’t know where you’re comming from Skull. You’re forever telling us that the Taxi Trade is fecked, The money is garbage etc .... ( Kinda’ suggests that there’s no great demand ).
But then you argue that if a proper more thorough survey was carried out, demand would be established. Make your mind up, or better still get tae’ a Doctor and get yer’ mind fixed.

Btw, nobody disputes who you have and havent spoken to. It's the listening/understanding part that you seem to have difficulty with..

(Apologise for putting this in another thread)


I have suggested no such thing. You are reading into my post things that don't exist. I'm not making a case either way. :-| The point I am making is that survey results are far from conclusive and can be manipulated to give the answer you want, or I should say, what the council wants. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:21 am 
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Fairplay, read my first post on this subject very carefully:

I've spoken to Professor Cooper, and I am sure he would be the first to tell you that surveys are only as accurate as the questions asked and the methodology followed to acquire the data.At best surveys used to monitor demand are a snap shot in time, which is out of date almost as quick as the ink dries. The cost of a survey also has a huge impact on how in-depth a survey can be. Spending a bit more cash could give you a different set of results altogether, it's about factoring in all the variables in an attempt to achieve accurate data.

Take rank surveys, for instance, has anyone figured in mobile phone usage and how this impacts on people waiting at ranks? And what about the expansion of Ph, perhaps this is a demand indicator, which is never looked at? How many people got sick of waiting in rank and started phoning Ph, because they couldn't get a taxi?

The truth is, bringing in consultants like Jacobs or Halcrow is all about justifying a decision, they, for the most part, have already made.

Whether or not you are for or against a restriction is largely irrelevant. The council doesn't care because you don't really matter.

Stationtone, Fairplay, Doom if you believe otherwise, more fool you, you are gullible to the extreme.


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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Let me put it this way.... If it was possible to carry out a survey that everyone could agree was carried out independently, and was as fair as could possibly be, do you think it would establish a SUD ?. I don’t !.


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:30 am 
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Skull wrote:
Doom, did you actually read what I wrote? I'm not making it up, I am telling you the truth. It matters not a jot to me what you think, but it is the truth. You could well be right about pubs and smoking bans but what we are talking about here is survey methodology and how accurate the data is.

Rank surveys are a joke. You could set up cameras to monitor demand specific to peak times and then where would you be? What about the period of time the survey is over, if my survey went all the way through the summer months during the Edinburgh festival, the New Year celebrations and any period of bad weather in-between. What do you think the result would be? :-|



Has anyone of you bothered to read the results???????

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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Let me put it this way.... If it was possible to carry out a survey that everyone could agree was carried out independently, and was as fair as could possibly be, do you think it would establish a SUD ?. I don’t !.


You might be right, but at least you would know where the work is going. Now what if your fair survey came back with data suggesting that the expansion of Ph, showed there was a demand to increase the taxi fleet by let's say 10% every year, how would you feel about that? :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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wizzkid wrote:
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Doom, did you actually read what I wrote? I'm not making it up, I am telling you the truth. It matters not a jot to me what you think, but it is the truth. You could well be right about pubs and smoking bans but what we are talking about here is survey methodology and how accurate the data is.

Rank surveys are a joke. You could set up cameras to monitor demand specific to peak times and then where would you be? What about the period of time the survey is over, if my survey went all the way through the summer months during the Edinburgh festival, the New Year celebrations and any period of bad weather in-between. What do you think the result would be? :-|



Has anyone of you bothered to read the results???????


Not recently, but I have in the past and was not impressed one bit, especially during Edinburgh's boom years where no demand was found. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:43 am 
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Skull wrote:
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Skull wrote:
Doom, did you actually read what I wrote? I'm not making it up, I am telling you the truth. It matters not a jot to me what you think, but it is the truth. You could well be right about pubs and smoking bans but what we are talking about here is survey methodology and how accurate the data is.

Rank surveys are a joke. You could set up cameras to monitor demand specific to peak times and then where would you be? What about the period of time the survey is over, if my survey went all the way through the summer months during the Edinburgh festival, the New Year celebrations and any period of bad weather in-between. What do you think the result would be? :-|



Has anyone of you bothered to read the results???????


Not recently, but I have in the past and was not impressed one bit, especially during Edinburgh's boom years where no demand was found. :-|



maybe someone sould see what it says first then.
Sorry i am new to the forum but even i know you sould get facts right first

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