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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:46 am 
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When Halcrow identified the latest demand and recommended that 30 plates should be issued, it was a surprise to everyone, including the council, right slap bang in the middle of a recession.

Jacobs Consultancy, on the other hand, couldn't find a demand supposing it was right under their nose, and that's when Edinburgh was a Gold Rush City.

I think the results out of these two surveys make a mockery out of surveys and showed it was more about fulfilling council policy. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:54 am 
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If you read my posts, I am talking about how surveys are carried out in general, and not disputing the data of a particular survey. I don't care whether they find a demand or not - FACT! :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:58 am 
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I think that a truly independant survey of the Taxi/ PH trade would reveal that there are too many PH on the road. I do agree with you however that if the Council were serious about establishing a “Transport Plan”, 10 years ago then it should have been more Taxis and not Ph that were put on the road. But that’s gone now and if things such as congestion,over ranking,pollution and so on were considered, I don’t think increasing the Taxi fleet would be seen as a benefit.


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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Fairplay wrote:
I think that a truly independant survey of the Taxi/ PH trade would reveal that there are too many PH on the road. I do agree with you however that if the Council were serious about establishing a “Transport Plan”, 10 years ago then it should have been more Taxis and not Ph that were put on the road. But that’s gone now and if things such as congestion,over ranking,pollution and so on were considered, I don’t think increasing the Taxi fleet would be seen as a benefit.


You might be right again, but what you have is, competing models of public transport doing essentially the same job governed by different legislation. With the Ph, model being more flexible and adaptable to circumstances making it a superior business to operate. Which probably explains why their numbers are increasing to meet demand before the taxi trade has even noticed there is a demand to be met. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:16 am 
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Doom wrote:
A SUD is done by watching how many cabs are supplying the ranks,

Some of the ranks, but doesn't assess the amount of work lost to the PH trade by poor hackney carriage service over the years.

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:18 am 
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Have you ever seen a SUD being done?

Kind of you to highlight the biggest pitfall of SUD surveys. =D>

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:03 am 
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My information is that no decision was made on Wednesday.
Committee has instructed council officers to do a report and present it to the committee.
Next meeting is not until 21st February, I don't see anything happening before then.

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:09 am 
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Aye....and gary could of course be talking sh*te :lol:


Isn't that your job? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:11 pm 
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Which probably explains why their numbers are increasing to meet demand before the taxi trade has even noticed there is a demand to be met. :-|


Indeed. Haven't seen the figures for a while, but isn't Aberdeen about 80% taxi/20% PH?

If it had been restricted years ago it's possible to imagine a scenario of 20% taxi/80% PH.

Yet, in both scenarios there could be no SUD measureable or at least very little.

But the market has developed very differently under the two scenarios, however the silly SUD surveys are too crude to encompass this.

So what the SUD surveys do simply is to come along and measure the market as it is and endorse it. They may find a bit of SUD on occassion, but they normally just serve to rubber stamp the status quo, or at least a slightly modified version.

And even when they do find SUD, who gets the plates? And how does that increase supply to meet the demand? #-o


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 3:10 pm 
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Doom wrote:
Have you ever seen a SUD being done?

Kind of you to highlight the biggest pitfall of SUD surveys. =D>



I know this is the Scottish section, but could I have that in English please.


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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There is only one relevant survey, and that's market forces.

It's not rocket science, unfettered by vested interests the customers would quickly decide what the shape of the hire car trades should be.

It's only vested interests that prevent this from happening.

And that's how members of the public come to be hurt.


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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:05 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Aye....and gary could of course be talking sh*te :lol:


Isn't that your job? :lol:



Says the cartel kid :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Aye....and gary could of course be talking sh*te :lol:


Isn't that your job? :lol:



Says the cartel kid :lol:

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Aren't you the one who's a mouthpiece for cartels, large and small? :?

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gusmac wrote:

Aren't you the one who's a mouthpiece for cartels, large and small? :?


No I come from a delimited utopia where we are all earning little money but all claim income support =D>

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 Post subject: Re: Aberdeen SUD survey
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captain cab wrote:
No I come from a delimited utopia where we are all earning little money but all claim income support =D>

And what would be different if you were restricted?

Or does restrictions mean more punters? :?

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