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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:55 am 
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@ Gus, I'll tell you this mate, I'm as anti baron as you are, but I don't see why their practices should cost me, it only needs a simple limit per head put on it to kill them off, and making the test so hard most will fail isn't going to wash forever, it's a sheet job full stop and once jobs start appearing again folks will leave, then the moaning starts about not enough drivers, and how will places like ours get drivers if hardly anyone can get a license, that arguement is as bad as you thinking the council limiting car license numbers.


So a proper knowledge test would be a problem as well because there wouldn't be enough drivers :lol:

By the way Doom, don't the HCs in your manor do phone work?

And I like the way you worked the dual mass flywheel issue into restricted taxi numbers :D


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:00 am 
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edders23 wrote:
The joys of deregulation and here we are Deregulated not deristricted


So what's the difference, edders?


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:09 am 
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Explain please, I'm all ears how a cab designed to sit at a designated rank and be flagged down can expand?

I could, but I wont.

But it's not hard to fathom out why your trade is dying in your manor.

Enough to drive you to drink.



If you mean we should form our own company then you are wrong, it's been done before and the only true Hack firm was bought out 2 years ago, you cannot compete in this town, the main firm is as low as you can go, any cheaper and you'll be paying the punters to ride with you, punters look out for them cos they know they will save a £1 if they get an honest driver.

The split firm which formed just after I started turned PH a few years ago also, and having to run on poor rates also just to stay in the game.

I'm not prepared to drive ppl about for buttons and I don't see why I should either, but as the law stands the council cannot set their rates for them, nor can they insist on a meter, nor can they control their numbers, which right now is about 50% too high, they don't have the work for them but greed gets the better of them and nothing is done to stop them touting.

If you mean driver standards to be raised, no joy on that, the LO's are still assisting ppl taking the test, there seems to be no restriction on how long you've held a license nor how long you've been resident.

In the remote chance I've not mentioned the correct answer, do tell, nothing will change if you have a great idea but won't air it will it, or was that just another dismissive answer from you to me again?

Here's the kicker Mark, if it ever goes all open they will be down your way before long, you may think your regs will keep them out but I assure you they won't, one of their barons just went semi to the wall, so they bailed him out and the other barons took some of his fleet, and your talking about two brothers who are now multi millionaires, so, here's to Brighton getting a really cheap firm that runs on the latest tech, love to see it when you find yourself having to work for them driving halfway across the city in traffic without a meter for £3.50, less 20% discount if it's an account, appy dayz :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:20 am 
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Doom wrote:
@ Gus, I'll tell you this mate, I'm as anti baron as you are, but I don't see why their practices should cost me, it only needs a simple limit per head put on it to kill them off, and making the test so hard most will fail isn't going to wash forever, it's a sheet job full stop and once jobs start appearing again folks will leave, then the moaning starts about not enough drivers, and how will places like ours get drivers if hardly anyone can get a license, that arguement is as bad as you thinking the council limiting car license numbers.


So a proper knowledge test would be a problem as well because there wouldn't be enough drivers :lol:

By the way Doom, don't the HCs in your manor do phone work?

And I like the way you worked the dual mass flywheel issue into restricted taxi numbers :D



Yes they do but not as a hack firm, they are on PH firms running on 1995 tariffs, it's what happens when those that don't drive get to hold the fares back, you should try working in an area where you are mid table in the fares league and there's someone else doing it for 33% less than that, 1986 the difference was 10p per fare, 2011 it's like £1.50 on average and they don't charge boundry either, a complete feck up, they have one contract job that is 20 miles away, takes 2 hours to do and it pays £16, and the contractor has no choice but to use them due to no competition large enough to cover it, SWT took the emergency transport thing away from us last year and gave it to them even though they still want £400 this year for a station pass, you couldn't make it up, you have nearly 4000 people involved in the trade here and about 15 of them are making a good living, the rest including me are scrapping for crumbs, and for what, still the end is coming in a few years time, there's something happening here that is going to decimate PH, and you knows what they say, the bigger the harder they fall, and I can't wait, especially when the barons have compounds full of driverless cars waiting for repo man to come get em. YEEEEEEEEAH.

The cost of a car and repairs is something ppl don't consider when licensing, a mate bought a Pug 307 estate for 5k, it's cost him another 7k to keep it otr and it still isn't right, I think the body is about the only original bit of it now.


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:27 am 
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Gusmac wrote
The point is for 63 years you have not grown your business and the opposition has.
Prebooked work is part of the taxi trade everywhere, except Blackpool, it seems.
Is there more work now than 1948? Yes, without a doubt. Even in a once popular seaside resort.
Most of the new work is prebooked, mostly by phone.
In 1948 hardly anyone had a telephone, a car or a TV set. A taxi was, to most, a luxury they couldn't afford very often.
When they needed a cab, they hailed one in the street or walked to a rank.
In the 21st Century, cabs are more affordable to the masses and they all have phones. They phone for a cab nowadays, usually from home or some venue.
They only hail cabs in the street when they can't get one on the phone, or there's a rank nearby that doesn't have a queue of people waiting.
If there is less work for the hack trade now than in 1948, it is because PH have taken most or all of the increase.
PH have grown from zero to several hundred, while the local hack trade have concentrated on keeping their plate values.
You have failed to compete and PH have filled the void.

BTW, there must be some work left over for the hack trade, otherwise you wouldn't have a plate value.

Gusmac to answer but a few of your points, if you think there is more work now here than 10 20 or 30 years ago you are mistaken,even ph dont have more work ask someone on here from blackpool if there is anybody.People here hail cabs off the street aswell,do you not know we have a few tourist come in the season ? In fact i work only off the streets ,no radio! Beggars belief in this day and age doesnt it.Plus as for the ever expanding ph trade what can i say ? Do you think the bosses of these firms are bothered by their drivers taking less if there taking more ? More cars =more money even you could see that.The firms are all mixed fleets of hackney and ph bar one . So what else can i say maybe our council realises we dont need any more hackneys,maybe they know more than you even but thats pushing it...
I like your darwin quote but maybe more apt would be "Me to You" by the legendary paul and barry xx


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:12 pm 
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So everythings grim and nothing can be done?
People queuing up to drive hacks and PH cars for peanuts? Such generosity!
Others wanting to pay thousands for plates?
What exactly do they get for their money blackpool?

What you say just doesn't add up.
Perhaps the chuckle brothers reference is more relevant to you. You're the one having a laugh.

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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:24 pm 
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Did i say "everything was grim" ? what im saying is what anyone who drives a taxi knows its quieter than it was.Theres not people queing to get a drive as you think.its my job i earn a living,would i like more ?of course i would .The one thing you seem to struggle to get your head around though is "do we need more taxis here" and how can i explain it so you understand DO WE FUCC


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:52 pm 
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Did i say "everything was grim" ? what im saying is what anyone who drives a taxi knows its quieter than it was.Theres not people queing to get a drive as you think.its my job i earn a living,would i like more ?of course i would .The one thing you seem to struggle to get your head around though is "do we need more taxis here" and how can i explain it so you understand DO WE FUCC



He doesn't want to get his head around it, he wants to look like he is right and we are wrong and will give all sorts of replies to try to make it seem that way, I think it's fantastic how a man 500 miles away from me can tell me I will be better off allowing anyone and everyone easy entry, obviously in Aberdeen they aren't swamped out with lots of unemployed people who've heard about the nice little earner job yet.

Incase you've not worked it out you Blackpool, right now the same thing that happened to farmers in the US in the 20's and 30's depression era is happening here with the taxis, someone wants to get hold of it all but wants to do so on the cheap or for nothing, and that is the motive behind all this rule bending, they've seen they can mug trusting immigrants off to do their bidding for them and want to sit there playing monopoly with everyone, it's the world we now find ourselves in with liberty taking ballsacks aplenty.


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:49 pm 
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Plus as for the ever expanding ph trade what can i say ? Do you think the bosses of these firms are bothered by their drivers taking less if there taking more ? More cars =more money even you could see that.


Sounds a bit like many/most restricted HC trades - the more drivers, the more money for owners [-(


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:47 pm 
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Doom wrote:
He doesn't want to get his head around it, he wants to look like he is right and we are wrong and will give all sorts of replies to try to make it seem that way,


That sounds more like you. Immigrants this, PH that but you don't want to do feck all about it, in case it fecks up your investments.

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I think it's fantastic how a man 500 miles away from me can tell me I will be better off allowing anyone and everyone easy entry, obviously in Aberdeen they aren't swamped out with lots of unemployed people who've heard about the nice little earner job yet.


Your the ones allowing easy entry. Any [edited by admin] can have a badge and be exploited by any owner.
Just so long as the plate's worth money, you don't give a sh*t.

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Incase you've not worked it out you Blackpool, right now the same thing that happened to farmers in the US in the 20's and 30's depression era is happening here with the taxis, someone wants to get hold of it all but wants to do so on the cheap or for nothing, and that is the motive behind all this rule bending, they've seen they can mug trusting immigrants off to do their bidding for them and want to sit there playing monopoly with everyone, it's the world we now find ourselves in with liberty taking ballsacks aplenty.


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It can't be that bad, you don't want to change it.

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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:52 pm 
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So, do you believe that the De-restriction of Plate Numbers would break up these "Bosses" Fiefdoms and that anyone with a half decent Credit Rating can buy an HC (or Skoda for that matter).

or

Do you believe that that would potentially put too many Cabs on the road, so insuring that no one made a decent living and the Bosses would still control the industry.

I'm based in Ayr, been driving for close on 4 years and bought my own HC some 18 months ago. I'm Freelance and have no difficulty making a living. Admittedly not as much as the Veterans say that they made a few years back, but a living none the less. Hires are down on 4 years ago and Tips have fallen through the floor in the last 10 months.

On balance, I believe in de-regulation of the number of Plates. In the long run, I think that Deregulation and this present drop in Sales, will make the position of the big Bosses sufficiently less profitable to cause the break up their Empires.

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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:59 pm 
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doom wrote:
they've seen they can mug trusting immigrants off to do their bidding for them and want to sit there playing monopoly with everyone


And just what's the difference between one big baron mugging 100 drivers and 100 little ones like blackpool mugging one driver each?
Apart from the scale, that is.

They are all the same. Leeches and parasites.

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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:18 pm 
Are you on drugs Gus, Blackpool has one driver, the driver pays a rent to him, what is so hard in that, do you think Blackpool should give the cab to his driver for nothing and just have the full costs to himself, how about you let the rooms in your house to strangers for £0 pw, is that still a good idea or are you awake in the real world now, an OD isn't mommy and daddy to the poor little driver y'know, it's a s/e business, and in s/e business you have to pay to take part, I'm beginning to think you are a communist myself.

@ Eddie, agree with most you say except the de-reg bit, here the barons are PH and even now when there is no work they are still attempting to license 50 cars at a time, they have an endless supply of foreign drivers who they are mugging off with magnificent stories who end up on the conveyor belt of three weeks here and then replaced by more unsuspecting immigrants and the cycle continues, they're even housing them at cost as well, it's almost like a package holiday in a way, only it's more like a package nightmare for the poor sod whose given up what he had back home to come here and be exploited by liars.


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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:25 pm 
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Doom wrote:
Are you on drugs Gus, Blackpool has one driver, the driver pays a rent to him, what is so hard in that, do you think Blackpool should give the cab to his driver for nothing and just have the full costs to himself, how about you let the rooms in your house to strangers for £0 pw, is that still a good idea or are you awake in the real world now, an OD isn't mommy and daddy to the poor little driver y'know, it's a s/e business, and in s/e business you have to pay to take part, I'm beginning to think you are a communist myself.


No, i'm not a communist, not even a labour voter. I'm not on drugs either.

And you haven't answered the question


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And just what's the difference between one big baron mugging 100 drivers and 100 little ones like blackpool mugging one driver each?


Too hard for you?

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 Post subject: Re: Dear Double D
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:45 pm 
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Are you on drugs Gus, Blackpool has one driver, the driver pays a rent to him, what is so hard in that, do you think Blackpool should give the cab to his driver for nothing and just have the full costs to himself, how about you let the rooms in your house to strangers for £0 pw, is that still a good idea or are you awake in the real world now, an OD isn't mommy and daddy to the poor little driver y'know, it's a s/e business, and in s/e business you have to pay to take part, I'm beginning to think you are a communist myself.


No, i'm not a communist, not even a labour voter. I'm not on drugs either.

And you haven't answered the question


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And just what's the difference between one big baron mugging 100 drivers and 100 little ones like blackpool mugging one driver each?


Too hard for you?



I thought I already had tbh when I explained one driver working for one OD was just paying his share of the costs.

So, I'll do it in a breakdown way this time

1 OD with one driver = 2 men both making a living as the job was intended

1 Baron with 100 cars is one lazy man who doesn't want to do the work, but has lots of others doing it for him in a master slave manner, he doesn't think it was quiet if John is short this week I'll cut him a break, he also encourages drivers that were never going to be drivers to become drivers promising them with lies, hth.


And you need to get out a bit more mate, your anger is so much I had to turn the brightness down on my monitor to be able to read what you posted, have a drink, you'll benefit from it and who knows it might even be the making of you comrade. :wink:


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