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 Post subject: Re: Result!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:31 pm 
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4 charges drives 40 pence per mile for the first 200 miles and then 33 pence per mile for miles above 200. The company pays for the fuel.


I agree with the comment that if the company pays the fuel and dictates hours worked they would fail the "self employed" test. I would suggest that under example 4 the drivers would be better buying their own fuel. I use a Citroen Xsara Picasso 1560cc which normally runs at .14p per mile in diesel consumption. If the driver buys the fuel he will be able to submit to HMRC as an expense quite legitimately surely. Under example 4 then he might be better paying say .26p per mile for the 200 and .19 thereafter if the car has similar consumption to the one I use.

As a point of interest I normally cover 80 to 100 miles on a Friday night 7 hour shift and a similar amount on an early start Sunday am shift. This is driving PH. I have only done one hackney shift since getting my hackney badge so was just finding my feet as it were. I have driven 5 miles for a 1 1/2 mile job!

It goes to show how the numbers are different in different areas. Owner drivers can pay up to £180 pw radio rent depending on the type of circuit "membership" they have.

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 Post subject: Re: Result!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:26 am 
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£165 was my first weeks wages as a miner back in 1982.

My first weeks wages as an apprentice at British Leyland was £15.30 in 1975.



My first wage as a Laboratory Technician was £6.95 p.w. in 1972 !!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Result!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:09 am 
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4 charges drives 40 pence per mile for the first 200 miles and then 33 pence per mile for miles above 200. The company pays for the fuel.


I agree with the comment that if the company pays the fuel and dictates hours worked they would fail the "self employed" test. I would suggest that under example 4 the drivers would be better buying their own fuel. I use a Citroen Xsara Picasso 1560cc which normally runs at .14p per mile in diesel consumption. If the driver buys the fuel he will be able to submit to HMRC as an expense quite legitimately surely. Under example 4 then he might be better paying say .26p per mile for the 200 and .19 thereafter if the car has similar consumption to the one I use.

As a point of interest I normally cover 80 to 100 miles on a Friday night 7 hour shift and a similar amount on an early start Sunday am shift. This is driving PH. I have only done one hackney shift since getting my hackney badge so was just finding my feet as it were. I have driven 5 miles for a 1 1/2 mile job!

It goes to show how the numbers are different in different areas. Owner drivers can pay up to £180 pw radio rent depending on the type of circuit "membership" they have.

We don't tend to do jobs where you have to go 5 miles for a 1 1/2 mile fare in Hackney. We have some private hire cars for jobs like that. The reason that we charge by the mile and we put the fuel in is so that there are no arguments about money taken and the percentage to be paid and no arguments about a driver not filling up properly at the end of their shift. And because the driver gets to keep more of the money they earn, they are happier.

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 Post subject: Re: Result!
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:22 am 
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edders23 wrote:
Have any of the leicester firms tried to get into Melton yet I know 2 of them looked at Stamford a couple of years ago and decided better that might change things a little

charging by the mile does run a risk though because a couple of really heavy maintainance bills might mean cars running at a loss

I only have 1 part time driver renting a car at weekends and i charge him £30 a shift he pays fuel i won't rent to a full time driver any more because the car inevitably gets abused and wrecked and it just isn't worth it

It was rumoured a couple of years ago that a Leicester company was going to try to get into Melton but nothing came of it. We do sometimes get the odd car that has dropped off in Melton hanging around to do a few fares but they are usually told to do one. There was a Syston based company operating a car in Melton. They got a Melton PH operators license, a Melton telephone number and a plated private hire car for Melton but they then kept sending Charnwood cars and drivers to do the work. Our council pointed out the error of their ways and they stopped using the Melton number so that they could send out the Charnwood cars properly but I did notiuce a while ago that the Melton plated car was being used on a school run out to Lutterworth.
I agree that a couple of big maintenance bills could make things tight but we have a good mechanic who checks all the cars out every week and so far we have avoided any real nasty shocks.
Because the drivers choose their own hours to work i would find it to troublesome to work out a fare "fixed" rate for them to pay so I use the easy way and charge by the mile. That way the driver only pays if they actually get a job.

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