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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:50 pm 
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1.61 JB felt that the only legal justification of operator licensing was that it created a paper trail capable of showing whether a booking had in fact been made. He questioned whether they served any other purpose. If it was felt that there were good safety reasons for retaining operator licensing, then it should be extended to taxis. If it did not concern safety then the requirement was meaningless.

He makes a sound point. Why do PH need to keep records but taxis don't? :?

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1.34 BR felt that much of the problem stemmed from the lack of alternatives such as night buses. He suggested that allowing taxis to have more than eight seats could help with clearing town centres. In 1982 the Department for Transport (DfT) had encouraged licensing authorities to licence vehicles with as many seats as possible, but since 1985 a taxi or PHV had to have eight seats or fewer.

So to solve the problem of late night supply, we have more f***ing buses. ](*,)



And forgetting the fact the HC trade have had the option of taxi buses for 25 years and never actually bothered :lol:

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1.38 SW felt that allowing marshalled PHV ranks would destroy pre-booking as operators would lose control of their workforce. RP noted that the suggestions only extended to night-time and that what was envisaged was a window of de-regulation.

Since when has it been their work-force?

Are those drivers salaried? Do they pay drivers stamp? Do those drivers have paid holidays or proper sickness cover?

Do they f***. :sad:


And of course they've got so much control over their 'workforce' under the current system that they're never plying for hire, are they?

Or at least perhaps in the fantasy world of Mr Wright - wasn't he the one at the Trans Comm meeting who was trying to portray the London PH trade as beyond reproach?


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1.52 Bill Bowling (BB) explained that limousines encountered major problems with cross-border restrictions. They could not readily operate within just one area.



But that argument has nothing to do with PH law.....no-one is saying PH cant work anywhere they choose......but all three licenses MUST come from one place ffs.

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JU clarified that the Law Commission was not proposing boundaries in relation to PHVs.




pmsl.....there aren't any f*cking boundaries if the job is done right.

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1.61 JB felt that the only legal justification of operator licensing was that it created a paper trail capable of showing whether a booking had in fact been made. He questioned whether they served any other purpose. If it was felt that there were good safety reasons for retaining operator licensing, then it should be extended to taxis. If it did not concern safety then the requirement was meaningless.

He makes a sound point. Why do PH need to keep records but taxis don't? :?



Offices or owner drivers on street hails and rank work?

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1.61 JB felt that the only legal justification of operator licensing was that it created a paper trail capable of showing whether a booking had in fact been made. He questioned whether they served any other purpose. If it was felt that there were good safety reasons for retaining operator licensing, then it should be extended to taxis. If it did not concern safety then the requirement was meaningless.

He makes a sound point. Why do PH need to keep records but taxis don't? :?


Offices or owner drivers on street hails and rank work?

The question must arise as to why your question needs answering, cos a punter's journey is a punter's journey no matter what he travel in (taxi or PH).

The point I think you are alluding to is the practicalities of recording rank work, and I agree, but if PH operator's have to record jobs for enforcement reasons, then surely that must apply to all.

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I called you a kid the other day, and your reply said I was wrong and read that you were a mature man of age, which is it Mr Deceptive?


So if I'm not a kid then that makes me 55+ #-o

No wonder you think people are trying to deceive you Doom :lol:


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The point I think you are alluding to is the practicalities of recording rank work, and I agree, but if PH operator's have to record jobs for enforcement reasons, then surely that must apply to all.



You guessed well.

Not if it is a requirement that a PH job has to be pre-booked.

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And of course they've got so much control over their 'workforce' under the current system that they're never plying for hire, are they?

Or at least perhaps in the fantasy world of Mr Wright - wasn't he the one at the Trans Comm meeting who was trying to portray the London PH trade as beyond reproach?



They're the same mob that imported slave labour from Eastern Europe.

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1.108 MB felt that there should be training for drivers but also for licensing and enforcement officers. The latter could be quality assured rather than regulated


Hmmmm Miles Bebbington of the IOL, who incidentally do training courses for licensing officers, wants training courses for licensing officers, but these'll be quality assured training courses (wft that is)

interests and vested.

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I was speaking to a union man who represents PH drivers in the capital today ( :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: ), and he wasn't pleased that his members were being ignored, and by whom.

However he came across with some interesting stats about how many new drivers don't renew after their 3-year license runs out.

I think he said it was 40%, which shows exactly how well the spivs look after, or should I say control, their drivers. [-(

I think Alex is going to invite him back to the TDO party. :shock:

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1.96 MB believed that de-regulated areas lost a significant proportion of their WAVs, resulting in a mixed fleet run on a low-cost basis. One local authority he had in mind had since re-regulated but had required all new licensed vehicles to be WAVs. Those coming into the trade should be encouraged to consider the business case for doing so.



:lol: :lol: :lol:

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1.93 BR argued that evidence showed that deregulated areas with high standards were very successful in controlling numbers and congestion and ensuring a mixed fleet.


pmsl.......errm I bet that wont be in PHM

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1.75 PC explained that Manchester had been the first city to have a 100% wheelchair accessible fleet. Problems arose where drivers on radio circuits were not told that the passenger they were picking up was disabled. Sometimes their homes were not equipped to enable the driver to give them assistance in leaving the house and getting into the vehicle. He also felt that the requirements on taxis were at times more onerous than those on buses, and that this should be rectified.



pmsl....another curved ball

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