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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:38 am 
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1.69 JB felt that some authorities saw licensing as a cash cow and sought to profit from conditions. It would be difficult to create an entirely level playing field in terms of fees charge


Fair play to him he really learned his lesson after those nasty street traders whooped his backside :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:41 am 
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1.62 SW felt that operator licensing gave massive benefits.


Particularly to the Operator huh? :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:41 am 
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Anybody want to buy... a fairly new copy of Mr Buttons book on licensing law .. it looks like it will be obsolete soon.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:44 am 
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The cab trade is truly scr*wed :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:49 am 
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1.75 PC explained that Manchester had been the first city to have a 100% wheelchair accessible fleet. Problems arose where drivers on radio circuits were not told that the passenger they were picking up was disabled. Sometimes their homes were not equipped to enable the driver to give them assistance in leaving the house and getting into the vehicle. He also felt that the requirements on taxis were at times more onerous than those on buses, and that this should be rectified.



pmsl....another curved ball

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And the room suddenly experienced a collective dropping of jaws when it was realised that taxis also work on circuits.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:54 am 
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Looks like everyone except you and Mr Button has it all wrong then? so many misguided folks in this world all in one place eh?

And me.

Of course we wont know who's got it wrong until the Law Commission report.

However I see you are now on the side on the PH spivs. [-(



Listen here Mark, I'll back you all the way in removing the baron's and those that take advantage of drivers both homegrown and foreign, what I won't do is watch my investment go south and the trade still be plagued by these types, which is what will happen if you try it the way you currently think.

I know the trade seems to have some sort of voice in Brighton and that is a good thing, but here even if you put in all the rules about whose suitable etc an envelope will get dropped and nothing will change, the same people taking advantage will do so, the job is massively over subscribed right now and until things improve on the employment front people will still flock to be a cabby under the illusion there is good money to be made.

If what you want is to happen you need to plug for one man one plate, with possible graces for a company owner who needs company cars, but this can still be abused so it needs fine tuning, what is also required is that any PH office must be able to prove it has the work for it's cars, this will need a 10% buffer zone for peaks and troughs, and the only way this will happen effectively is if the enforcement teams are able to put PH pirates off sitting about where they have no right to, this is why I think the fixed penalty bit is a good idea, keep getting enough £60 fines on £30 nights and you'll soon work it out that it's better to concentrate on earning from the radio like they are supposed to.

We're in a period right now where there has been 10 years of abuse of systems and nobody is following the rule book in any field, this is why we have the banking crisis, too much bonus temptation to say no to loans they just knew wouldn't be paid back, the same back door trading is going on all over and this doorman tout routine has to stop or I think it will be prudent of affected area cab drivers to stand outside the club and advise customers not to go in and tell them where would be better for a good night out, of course we all know ole skinhead and his black crombie will come wading in within minutes if they do and public disorder will ensue, which is another example of how some (mainly self appointed important's) think it's ok for them to muscle in but don't like it when it's them being leeched off.

Now, like I said, lets remove the bad element, but not so it costs the rest of the us our investment and livelyhood due to oversupply.

This is what PH needs to do

1 - Cut radio charges to sensible levels
2 - Raise fares to council rates
3 - Fit meters
4 - Issue guidlines to all new drivers of what their role is
5 - Complaints number for the council not the firm


This alone will remove the need for training camps in Hungary and Latvia because British drivers will return to the fold, and probably with their own cars as well, the only thing that stops me joining a circuit is the stupidly low fares they charge and the high radio charges, until these type of measures are introduced nothing will change, PH steals because it has to, it's the over supply and low fare scale that means the driver is faced with sink or swim, lets see the big PH operator's start being held accountable for their drivers actions, soon sort a lot out that way.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:03 am 
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If anyone has any interest whatsoever I suggest they print off a copy of the minutes and actually read what was said and by whom.

You can then sit back, relax, and think what the law commission, given the responses to the points raised, will do next.

I have said from the start we are not dealing with a bunch of idiots and people have chosen to ignore my advice and treat them like that anyway. They have got exactly what they want, without spending the amount of money the OFT needed.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:20 am 
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I like the fact everything is on the web for the viewing and not just for those of the rolled up trouser legs



Ahh like those in SBC who refuse to acknowledge their WAV problem :lol:

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Any WAV problems around here in SBC land is negated by Dozens and Dozens of SBC sponsored charity WAV vehicles who would only steal the fair paying disabled away from the WAV owning taxi operator...makes having a WAV taxi somewhat pointless. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:30 am 
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2 - Raise fares to council rates
3 - Fit meters


But no trade interests at the meeting would support that kind of thing, because they know that that would make PH more like taxis, hence the LC might think what's the point of two tiers?

That's what I mean about vested interests - both sides want to portray the two trades as being as seperate as possible, because they have a vested interest in the continuation of the two tiers.

Once you get into the realms of PH with meters, PH plying late at night and proper PH topo and driving tests (which would undemine the training camps abroad) then the, um, strict dichotomy between the two trades is undermined, and neither the taxi cartels nor the PH barons want that.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:42 am 
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2 - Raise fares to council rates
3 - Fit meters


But no trade interests at the meeting would support that kind of thing, because they know that that would make PH more like taxis, hence the LC might think what's the point of two tiers?

That's what I mean about vested interests - both sides want to portray the two trades as being as seperate as possible, because they have a vested interest in the continuation of the two tiers.

Once you get into the realms of PH with meters, PH plying late at night and proper PH topo and driving tests (which would undemine the training camps abroad) then the, um, strict dichotomy between the two trades is undermined, and neither the taxi cartels nor the PH barons want that.



Not really Dust, there's no reason why they shouldn't use a meter, nor the council set their rates, but my point is all the time they can undercut ppl will approach them, and why should any working man have to lose out because the traffic is heavy, one way to kill the barons is to make it impossible for them to hold enough plates to make it worth their while.

There is always a need for a PHC, but it needs to stay in it's own house, if they just do what they are supposed to do which is to furnish those making a contract with them for a lift and leave the flags and ranks to the Hack side of things, nobody would get in an unbooked PHC if there was no financial gain to be had, and maybe the Hack wouldn't need to join a circuit if it could gross enough on it's own, I personally don't want to work on an our club firm anymore, I got sick of the feeding and face fitting routine, last one I worked for the lady who ditributed the long jobs asked why I hadn't like the rest of the drivers that merged into this firm, kicked her door down and demanded airport work, I said to her there is no way I want a £25 job that is going to cost £12 to do, she said ok but you can't chery pick the other long jobs, her face was a picture when I told her I didn't want any of that underpriced crap either, shortly after I bought the plate and asked myself why I wasted 11 years on that side of things in the first place, they can't be fair or honest, so why should I give them a penny, next time I drive PH it will be because you pay per job.


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Not really Dust, there's no reason why they shouldn't use a meter, nor the council set their rates, but my point is all the time they can undercut ppl will approach them, and why should any working man have to lose out because the traffic is heavy, one way to kill the barons is to make it impossible for them to hold enough plates to make it worth their while.


I'm all for meters in PH as well, but for the reasons I mentioned earlier I can't see there being much impetus in that direction from the LC's 'advisory group'.

And even assuming they were compelled to have them I suspect they wouldn't use them anyway, rendering the whole thing pointless.

Unless the local market environment supports an official tariff structure at the specified level of fares then it would just be unsustainable.

And from what you say about local market conditions it seems unlikely that the environment is right for PH to be sticking to the official taxi tariff - they would simply undercut it and you'd be back to square one.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:25 am 
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The PHV trade outside of London contained a higher number of wheelchair accessible vehicles (WAVs) than the taxi trade.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:52 am 
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1.89 DoP [Allied Vehicles] felt that the public was served not only by the number of vehicles but also by the quality of the fleet. He believed this to be higher in restricted areas.


Like in Blackpool, Liverpool, Woking?

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Restrictions led to greater confidence in business models and guaranteed reasonable earnings.


For whom? Jockeys paying mega-rentals?

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De-regulation could also have a negative impact on supply in the night-time economy as there would be fewer PHVs.


:lol: So it's win-win. More work for everyone \:D/

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1.90 VSH asked whether this could be countered by setting high standards. DoP felt that it was preferable for the market to lead standards.


Ah, so let's allow the market to set taxi standards. In which case Mr Allied Vehicles would sell approx, er, zero vehicles?

VSH (the economic adviser) seems to be on the ball though - her contributions are limited, but they seem to cut through the vested interests so self-evident throughout the session.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:59 am 
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And the room suddenly experienced a collective dropping of jaws when it was realised that taxis also work on circuits.

And these idiots are supposed to be our regulators ffs? PMSL!

Wonder we did not have the grand pearler from our great leaders of wisdom "What is the difference between HC & PH?" :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:38 am 
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The PHV trade outside of London contained a higher number of wheelchair accessible vehicles (WAVs) than the taxi trade.


:roll:

I think he actually believes that.

Someone please name an area, any area, where there are more PH WAVs than taxi WAVs.

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