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Try asking the guys who already own a saloon taxi, rather than the renting drivers or WAV or PH guys who would like one.
Most would rather sit down to a sh*te sandwich for lunch.
They would still go for it rather than provide a WAV, but they'd fight it all the way.



No idea. Why would a WAV need them?



What has any of that got to do with the argument that saloon taxis are needed to serve a section of the disabled community?
The point is, most of the people using this argument are unwilling to adapt their saloon taxis to make what they claim easier, or to enable them to cater for a larger section of the disabled community.
It's about keeping their saloons. The disabled angle is just an excuse.



In your opinion.

In mine, grab handles could also make it easier for some disabled people to access a saloon.
It would surely be better than using the tops of doors or the "Jesus" handles, neither of which were designed for this purpose.
Just because they aren't fitted, doesn't mean they aren't needed.

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I never mentioned anything about a free market in numbers. I merely suggested that a free market isn't as free as it would appear if there is regulation of vehicle types. Restriction is restriction or not as the case may be

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

You're not seriously claiming that in terms of competitiveness a taxi market is either restricted or it isn't?

I mean, if the Wirral was restricted tomorrow are you suggesting that it would be as tightly restricted as it was just before it was derestricted a decade or so ago?

Of course not. Indeed you yourself have often made the point that a lot of the HCs on the Wirral are now on circuits, suggesting that the ranks are more competitive. When the area was restricted they were more able to rely on the street work alone.

That wouldn't change tomorrow even if the Wirral was rerestricted, but you're claiming that the market is either restricted or it isn't in terms of analysing how it works.

Are you saying she's telling lies?

You're asking questions, then answering them yourself.

The market is either restricted or derestricted, either James Button says this in his book and numerous judges said it before him.

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No, I'm saying her analysis of the market is ridiculously crude.



Your point being? It's just a straightforward writing technique.

After all, when she intervened yesterday she clearly hadn't even read what I'd written properly or was trying to misrepresent me.



So you're saying JB did or didn't, or did you insert the word 'either' accidentally?

But perhaps you could provide a few quotes to illustrate what you're saying, because I suspect you're representing what both JB and 'numersous judges' have said.

Do you seriously want me to list court cases?


There is a plethora of case law in relation to decisions about quantity restrictions. The principles which can be drawn from these cases include the following: (i) it is possible to delimit at any time, subject only to the requirement that such a decision must not be unreasonable in the Wednesbury sense (R v Great Yarmouth Borough Council, ex parte Sawyer [1987], R v (on the application of Royden) v Metropolitan Borough of Wirral [2003], R v Council of the City and District of St.Albans [2000] etc) or re-limit subject to the same requirements (R v Halton Borough Council ex parte ex p Gunson [1988]); (ii) full and genuine consultation must take place before a decision to delimit is taken (Sadar v Watford Borough Council [2006]); (iii) consideration must be given to the commercial impact of a delimitation decision, but provided that is done, commercial impact alone is not a ground for challenge (St Albans and R (on the application of Nemeth) v West Berkshire District Council); (iv) if it cannot be demonstrated that there is no unmet demand the licences must be granted (Tudor v Ellesmere Port and Neston Borough Council [1987], Kelly and Smith v Wirral Metropolitan Borough Council [1996]).


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Which has got what to do with the point being made?

Perhaps you should rewind to the original point being made, which was about economics, market structure and thus competitiveness rather than a legalistic point.

And in particular read what I wrote rather than Toots' misinterpretation/misrepresentation of it

which bit.....you do go on a bit much.

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Have you read your own articles?

Perhaps the reason I'm 'going on a bit' is because both you and Toots seem either unwilling or incapable of acknowledging something very basic.

Put it this way, if Dublin was rerestricted tomorrow would you say it was as tightly restricted as it was when the plug was pulled?

And please don't say yes.

Not particularly, they are an arrangement of words not necesserily in the right order

No I wouldnt say that about Dublin. I would say if it was re-limited tomorrow it would take years to recover.

I would also say that people shout about quality controls......yet the quality they shout about is dependent upon buying new vehicles and getting people into debt......in a market which is unstable.

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Even I see where the Bin is coming from.

Yes in crude terms there is only restricted or unrestricted areas, but there are many different levels of restricted, and unrestricted.

In fact we even have restricted councils that will issue plates as they haven't reached the limit the council has set.

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So this assorted verbiage and deft changing of the subject means I was just an teensy weensy bit correct?

As for quality controls, you may have a point as regards council thinking, but many of us are all for driver quality controls as well.

But the council attitude is partly due to the attitude of the likes the NTA, who are obsessed with vehicle controls while ignoring the number of drivers and indeed many plateholders mump and moan about quality control for drivers and try to have such controls relaxed.

As for people getting into debt, are you equating the danger that a vehicle may be reposessed with the danger that the family home may be reposessed if it's used as security to buy a plate?

As for stable markets, indeed rentals may be stable, but this doesn't help drivers who pay fixed rentals while customer numbers are plumetting.

And again the number of plates may be stable, but the amount of drivers can still increase even/especially when times are bad, thus meaning less work for drivers in an alreading declining market while paying fixed rentals.

Does the NTA, Unite, GMB, the NPHA et al ever look beyond the interests of taxi plate holders or PH circuit operators?

I dont know about three of them, but I know the NTA does.

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