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presumably you haven't got that far yet.


You write nothing if not long documents, have you ever considered being a scriptwriter for SCATA? :lol:

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I refer to the inclusion of the US in general, and agree with the reivers comments towards the scata inclusion of the us in there policy speech. :wink:

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Well it's quite normal in debates of this type to include experiences from other areas, be it in other LAs, in other parts of the UK or abroad.

The only problem with the comparisions usually used is that they are done so misleadingly.

Sorry, I haven't had time to read the Revier's piece yet, but I'll do so later :?

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I know what you mean sussex, but the same applies to plate values, do you want one for £5k with a shed attached or £30k with a TX?

In a district that has one policy in terms of vehicle standards, then really the plate should always be the same price. If it's attached to a pile of poo, then that will be reflected in the price.

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Plate = £20,000
Plate and pile of poo = £25,000
Plate and nice Merc = £45,000

Sad thing is, the plate and pile of poo is the one that usually gets sold first.



I certainly hope the pile of poo comes with air conditioning :wink:

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presumably you haven't got that far yet.


You write nothing if not long documents, have you ever considered being a scriptwriter for SCATA? :lol:

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No, I prefer writing in clear English :lol:

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Your confusing me again, are you suggesting in Dundee they hire out plates without vehicles?


Yes, we've discussed in ad nauseum on here


Thanks for clearing that up.

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I refer to the inclusion of the US in general, and agree with the reivers comments towards the scata inclusion of the us in there policy speech.

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Well it's quite normal in debates of this type to include experiences from other areas, be it in other LAs, in other parts of the UK or abroad.

The only problem with the comparisions usually used is that they are done so misleadingly.

Sorry, I haven't had time to read the Revier's piece yet, but I'll do so later


Thanks for clearing that up too, although I still dont see the point of including something that has no bearing on the UK cab trade. :wink:

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I'm not sure who your alluding to as regards the inference of plate values being indicative of unmet demand in surveys, because I've always said that was rubbish.

You can easily get rid of unmet demand just by raising fares, I think the Edinburgh example was cited in the document.

This will in turn feed through to higher premiums, so the public is paying more to inflate premiums.

You also forget latent demand and suchlike.

The late night scenario that you pose was also covered in the document, presumably you haven't got that far yet.


I presumed, perhaps wrongly that the document mentioned plate values to prove an unmet demand, if this isnt the case then why would the document mention it?

Regarding latent demand, a demand that is 'invisable or untapped or served by illegal plying for hire', I didnt forget it, and neither did the DFT :shock: is it mentioned in the document? :wink:

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I presumed, perhaps wrongly that the document mentioned plate values to prove an unmet demand, if this isnt the case then why would the document mention it?


Because the NTA tried to claim they don't exist :lol:


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Regarding latent demand, a demand that is 'invisable or untapped or served by illegal plying for hire', I didnt forget it, and neither did the DFT :shock: is it mentioned in the document? :wink:


Yes, it's in the section called 'The unmet demand test' :wink:

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The only problem with the comparisions usually used is that they are done so misleadingly.


So thats why your so keen to compare the taxi trade with the garage and chemist trades then.

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I presumed, perhaps wrongly that the document mentioned plate values to prove an unmet demand, if this isnt the case then why would the document mention it?


Because the NTA tried to claim they don't exist


I'll make sure an application form is sent out in the post :wink:

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Regarding latent demand, a demand that is 'invisable or untapped or served by illegal plying for hire', I didnt forget it, and neither did the DFT is it mentioned in the document?


Yes, it's in the section called 'The unmet demand test'


thanks :lol:


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The only problem with the comparisions usually used is that they are done so misleadingly.

So thats why your so keen to compare the taxi trade with the garage and chemist trades then.


lol GA, chemists and garages are part of public transport you silly man :wink:

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Presuming I have been correct so far :wink: I will continiue where I left off

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Too many taxis/not enough drivers’


There should be a little truth in the argument from the hackney carriage trade, the hackney trade cannot really state the above phrase when they know that most new HC licensees, after delimitation, will come from the private hire trade. Although the effects upon the PH service have already been pointed out by myself earlier on and not yet answered.

The major group that is effected by delimitation from the HC point of view are fleet owners, although if standards of vehicles are in place this may be counteracted.

My only real disagreement with this section is basically the lack of guaranteed coverage, while it could be argued that there isnt a guaranteed coverage at the moment. I have certainly found in my location that most vehicles become owner driven and are naturally worked when it suits the proprietor and not necessarily the passengers. This is not really conducive towards public service.

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I am not going to mention Scotland, not within my remit :wink:

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Taxis and private hire

The fly in the ointment for the taxi plate cartels is that although they have a monopoly over hirings in the rank and hail markets, access to the pre-booked market is unrestricted, thus to the extent that taxis service that market the cartel is undermined by the encroachment of private hire.


I disagree with the use of the word cartel and use of the word monopoly, as previously stated hackneys are licensed by the LA to carry out the tasks as stated, they are not responsible for numbers of licenses.

If there is an encroachment of private hire then surely it is the job of enforcement to cease the problem.

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Again this does not depend on the presence of quantity controls on taxi licenses – the London taxi trade’s opposition to the minicab/PH sector is legendary - but the more arbitrary nature of numerical controls perhaps makes the undermining of the cartel by private hire less palatable in other locations. But the general ethos of the taxi trade’s opposition to PH is neatly encapsulated by the following from a trade pressure group:

Like the cuckoo they have eased our taxi compatriots out of the hackney carriage nest, entered the taxi men's world in unwelcome and unneeded competition, in vehicles euphemistically referred to as "private hire," when, in truth, they do mostly the same work as taxis; and have crowded the "nest" by some 50,000 extra vehicles in the preceding 14 years!


Oh dear, if you think for one moment I'm going to take what SCATA say seriously you have another thing coming! :wink:

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My only real disagreement with this section is basically the lack of guaranteed coverage, while it could be argued that there isnt a guaranteed coverage at the moment. I have certainly found in my location that most vehicles become owner driven and are naturally worked when it suits the proprietor and not necessarily the passengers. This is not really conducive towards public service.

The problem I have with all this coverage issue, is why should one side of the trade decide they don't want to service a particular sector (outskirts), and then moan when others want to work the town centre.

Surely if customers want to go from A to B, it's them that should decide what way they wish to travel, not the trade. It also seems very strange that some members of the cab trade seem to belly-ache about lack of work, yet ignore a significant sector of the paying public.

Which is why the PH trade has thrived in the last 20 years. :wink:

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