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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:55 pm 
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captain cab wrote:

I was going to write a fairly decent reply, but then I read yours which is meaningless ffs.


That's because I was parodying your own reply :-D


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:07 pm 
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And I thought Sussex might have something more to say on such matters - on which it might be thought that he could combine his skills and knowledge to provide a cogent case one way or the other - rather than trying to change the subject :-# [-(

How very dare you. :D

Fixed penalties work sometimes (speeding) and fail miserably at other times (drunk and disorderly behaviour).

So which group would taxi law contraventions fall into?

Is it right to 'fine' someone £200 for not wearing their badges? IMO no. Is it right to fine someone £200 for an illegal pick up? IMO yes.

Which group does untidy vehicle come into? Is it the same group as cherry-picking? Or the same group of not putting the meter on?

My point is there isn't a yes or a no to the question being posed, only a maybe.

That said I'm quite sure the lads in Ashfield would have much preferred a £200 fine rather than a 28 day ban. However both are wrong for the offences they were punished for.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:16 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
So the suggestion is a "bad deterrent", a "very poor idea" mooted by "stupid" people and even "more stupid" people.

Meanwhile, your own way of thinking is a "far better idea".

When I saw you'd actually typed something I expected it to be an in-depth examination comparing the deterrent effect and general efficacy of the alternative systems, but it's, er, what? :lol:

Certainly nothing of what you've said will amount to any sort of deterrent to those advocating the idea. :D

And I thought Sussex might have something more to say on such matters - on which it might be thought that he could combine his skills and knowledge to provide a cogent case one way or the other - rather than trying to change the subject :-# [-(



The death penalty was a deterrent.....but people still committed murder. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:23 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Fixed penalties work sometimes (speeding) and fail miserably at other times (drunk and disorderly behaviour).


Which can't-be-arsed police officer told you that? [-(



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So which group would taxi law contraventions fall into?

Is it right to 'fine' someone £200 for not wearing their badges? IMO no. Is it right to fine someone £200 for an illegal pick up? IMO yes.

Which group does untidy vehicle come into? Is it the same group as cherry-picking? Or the same group of not putting the meter on?

My point is there isn't a yes or a no to the question being posed, only a maybe.


Ah, yes, I think CC's £200 fine related to plying for hire rather than anything more minor, thus to that extent I would agree that a fine of such a magnitude wouldn't be appropriate for more minor transgressions.

And my point about the deterrent was perhaps more related to the fact that it would be a lot easier to prosecute the offence rather than the type of punishment administered, thus to that extent there might be a lot more drivers brought to book, which in turn would increase the deterrent effect.

But otherwise I suspect you're more in agreement with me than CC. I think :D


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:24 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
The death penalty was a deterrent.....but people still committed murder. :wink:


Well I suspect it would act as a deterrent, but a tad disproportionate for plying for hire :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:29 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
captain cab wrote:
The death penalty was a deterrent.....but people still committed murder. :wink:


Well I suspect it would act as a deterrent, but a tad disproportionate for plying for hire :lol:



Ok shooting in the face with a 12 bore :wink:

In front of their children.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:37 pm 
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More like it =D>

Should also be extended to falling asleep on the rank and wearing dirty white trainers :D


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:41 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
More like it =D>

Should also be extended to falling asleep on the rank and wearing dirty white trainers :D


bit strong for a byelaw....but hey..... :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:20 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Fixed penalties work sometimes (speeding) and fail miserably at other times (drunk and disorderly behaviour).


Which can't-be-arsed police officer told you that? [-(

In fact it's the opposite to what you suggest.

The police find it easier to issue fixed penalties to D&Ds, whereas I think they should be bought before the courts, especially when fixed penalties don't always get recorded. :sad:

Oh, and seldom paid. :sad: :sad: :sad:

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:17 am 
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Yes, but they're still doing little more than scratching the surface, particularly if as you say they aren't paid.

And they won't bring them before the courts because the system couldn't cope, so that seems unlikely to happen either, at least on a scale that would start to impact on the problem.

So in the grand scheme of things there's not much of a deterrent either way.

Better to blame the supermarkets instead.

It's like an LO coming out a couple of time a year and slapping a couple of wrists - in the grand scheme of things pretty pointless.


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