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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:52 pm 
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Well if the SNP are running scared of an independence election well done to the real PM for getting the ball running.

You would have thought that this extra momentum would be welcomed by those seeking independence.

Or maybe they are starting to bottle it. Image

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:49 am 
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Sussex wrote:
Well if the SNP are running scared of an independence election well done to the real PM for going the ball running.

You would have thought that this extra momentum would be welcomed by those seeking independence.

Or maybe they are starting to bottle it. Image


As a Scot I welcome it, but then again im not one of those Brigadoon timewarp types who live in a Scotland thats still somewhere between the 14th and 18th centuries. Nothing drags a country down faster than hauling around 700 years of bitter historical resentment. The type of naff history that the Shortbread Box SNP peddles is little to do with fact but more of romance.


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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:58 am 
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In 1991 I managed a project that dealt with young people that were involved, or at risk of being involved with car crime. I went to the North of Ireland to meet with people who were tackling similar problems. We were there for a spefic reason, but I remember this guy, a lapsed member of the Communist Party, telling me what things were like in the early 60s, before the troubles. He lived in the Republican area of West Belfast, but told me that living conditions in areas of the Protestant Shankill, were equally as bad. “All They had to do tho’,” he said. “ Was wheel out the Unionist canditate, with, “King Billy stickers,” (I kid you not) stuck on his Morris Minor”. He was duly elected. Now, I was Baptised a Roman Catholic....
Now’t to dae’ wae’ me I may add. I was 5 weeks old at the time, but I now realise, in my opinion, it’s all bollocks. However, I sincerely hope that if there is to be a referendum, it’s no’ during the, “Marching Season”. If it is.... then, we can all look forward to singing, “God save the Queen,” for another 300 years.


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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:03 am 
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Where's the romance in taking control away from the Westminster clique to hand it over to the more parochial Holyrood clique?

The ScotParl's mentality is ban everything and tax more.

Do we want to live in a fascist state with a punitive cost of living?

If the SNP can't even stomach a free market in the taxi trade in Edinburgh, what are they going to do once they've got a grip on the whole economy?

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:04 am 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... -vote.html


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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:30 am 
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You’ve got to ask youself, “ Why do the Etonians not want Scotland to leave th UK ?”. .... Maybe they just like us Nah, simple really. Think, “America”. They’re the ones wae’ the, “Finger on the button”. Independance ?... No chance !!


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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:18 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/alancochrane/9001384/Cameron-Ill-bar-SNP-from-holding-independence-vote.html


Just playing into the SNP barrow.
Nothing p!sses of the Jocks more than the English telling them what they can and can't do.

Cameron, you're a tw4t.

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:10 am 
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Maybe the PM is just saying it as is it.

i.e. make your f***ing mind up and move on, one way or another.

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:45 pm 
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We've known all along about the legal rights of holding a referendum but is the reason boy David is trying to turn up the heat on Alex Salmond is that Europe is turning up the heat on Boy David :?:

Boy David knows that if he signs up lock stock and barrell to Europe then our argument for independence is strengthend, we have everything that, Europe, England, America and China want, only 2 of them have what we want :wink:

If boy david signs up LS&B too the EU then surely we (Scots) deserve a place at the top table as we have much untapped resources which have huge value, So Boy David we know your game, you call the referendum :?:

The pawn on the chessboard is moving in, nearly check mate :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:51 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Maybe the PM is just saying it as is it.

i.e. make your f***ing mind up and move on, one way or another.

Scotland's future is our call. Do you really think it does the unionist case any favours telling the Jocks that the call isn't theirs but the rest of the UK's? And further they will graciously allow us to decide our future, provided we do it the way they want?

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:42 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
We've known all along about the legal rights of holding a referendum but is the reason boy David is trying to turn up the heat on Alex Salmond is that Europe is turning up the heat on Boy David :?:

Boy David knows that if he signs up lock stock and barrell to Europe then our argument for independence is strengthend, we have everything that, Europe, England, America and China want, only 2 of them have what we want :wink:

If boy david signs up LS&B too the EU then surely we (Scots) deserve a place at the top table as we have much untapped resources which have huge value, So Boy David we know your game, you call the referendum :?:

The pawn on the chessboard is moving in, nearly check mate :wink:


This'll be yet another subject that you don't have a scooby about.

What concerns me is that ars likking numpties like you have a say at all.

With a minority of the electorate voting SNP in the first place it's gonna be a no no. No, make that a no no no.

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:08 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Scotland's future is our call.

I know, but sometimes you need people to move you along a bit.

FFS didn't Mr Independence get elected big boy in 2007?

Why has it taken so long?

Is a yes/no question that hard to pose?

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:34 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

FFS didn't Mr Independence get elected big boy in 2007?

Why has it taken so long?


He didn't have a majority until May last year.
Anyway, after 300 years, what's the rush?

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Is a yes/no question that hard to pose?


I was going to say "no harder than asking the UK electorate about leaving/ staying the EC or joining/ not joing the Euro." both issues which successive UK governments have been ducking for years.
Or PR, which is the current elephant in the cabinet room.

But it seems we can't actually have a referendum without English permission or interference. So it is harder.

Could you imagine the reaction if the tories decided to have a referendum on the EC, just to have Brussells tell them they need EC say so to do it and BTW Brussells asks the question and counts the votes, not Westminster?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:47 pm 
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I was going to say "no harder than asking the UK electorate about leaving/ staying the EC or joining/ not joing the Euro." both issues which successive UK governments have been ducking for years.
Or PR, which is the current elephant in the cabinet room.

But it seems we can't actually have a referendum without English permission or interference. So it is harder.

Could you imagine the reaction if the tories decided to have a referendum on the EC, just to have Brussells tell them they need EC say so to do it and BTW Brussells [edited by admin] the question and counts the votes, not Westminster?

We have parties down here that advocate leaving the EU, or at least a vote on it, but they don't get enough votes to ensure their policies get adopted.

That's not the case up there. The Scots have voted for a party that has, as far as I'm aware, a main policy for Scottish Independence via a free and open vote.

The only thing that seems to be happening is that us down here want your vote to happen a lot more than you up there.

Very strange indeed. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Independence
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:56 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

That's not the case up there. The Scots have voted for a party that has, as far as I'm aware, a main policy for Scottish Independence via a free and open vote.

The only thing that seems to be happening is that us down here want your vote to happen a lot more than you up there.


A party which pledged a vote during the lifetime of this Scottish parliament, not at a time which suits our English neighbours, nor those who didn't want a vote at all.

From this side of the border, it seems that Westminster is trying to influence the result by railroading through the vote, deciding on the question and counting the votes.

If they really are neutal, they should just bugger off and leave us to it.
We'll let them know our decision in due course. :D

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