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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:30 pm 
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But either way, your claims are defamatory, so could you please provide evidence to substantiate your statement, either from yourself or from whatever third party was the source of the claims.


I believe that the claims made within this website are defamatory, some of the claims made within M&R are equally questionable.

I'll tell you what to do TDO, provide me with the name and addresses of the authors of M&R as well as the names and addresses of the owners of this site and I will gladly divulge the massive amounts of evidence I have to substanciate the claims I have made.

If its good for the goose TDO then its good for the gander.

B. Lucky :twisted:


I think you misunderstood the question.

You weren't asked for your name and address, just evidence to substantiate your claim.

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I'll tell you what to do TDO, provide me with the name and addresses of the authors of M&R as well as the names and addresses of the owners of this site and I will gladly divulge the massive amounts of evidence I have to substanciate the claims I have made.



If you had 'massive amounts of evidence' then I'm sure you would divulge it, but the problem is you don't, so you won't.

Your accusation is nonsense, the only question is whether it's you making up the lies or just passing them on. But if it's the latter, and you clearly have no evidence, then you are obviously totally lacking in judgement in repeating this nonsense.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
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But either way, your claims are defamatory, so could you please provide evidence to substantiate your statement, either from yourself or from whatever third party was the source of the claims.


I believe that the claims made within this website are defamatory, some of the claims made within M&R are equally questionable.



You can't provide evidence to back up your first allegation, so instead you dredge up another one.

This time you don't even mention specifics, just make a vague and meaningless accusation, with the clear intention of making it impossible to counter.

So if you have any specific allegations about defamatory material then please be more specific so that it can be dealt with.

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Please note that we have sent flyers relating to this website to well over a thousand email addresses, including government departments, MPs, MSPs, local authorities, LOs, not to mention those in the trade.

The site has also had exposure to thousands more through the good offices of Taxi Talk magazine :D

Yet, despite all the factual and critical information on the site in the name of TDO, we've had not one allegation of defamation, except from the fast-tan man from Gateshead.

Of course, we have had one complaint, namely from a local authority in relation to comments made on the forum by your sidekick. And of course I think you had to remove claims made by yourself from your own site for similar reasons.

So you have a track record of making defamatory statements, thus the latest ones shouldn't surprise.

So perhaps you should step back and have a think about your own bizarre take on things before accusing others.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
This site is in place to front an attempt by a "specialist" taxi solicitor to convince every council that he can give them advice, at a cost, that will increase their revenue and get them out of trouble with the DfT, even though they aren't in any trouble in the first place.


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I believe that the claims made within this website are defamatory, some of the claims made within M&R are equally questionable.


Still waiting for your 'massive amounts of evidence', Mr Gateshead Angel :^o

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:09 pm 
Using your logic we should assume that you are a liar then.

Its also worthy of note that you choose to use 6 replies to make your accusations about my knowledge of your position and the position of your website.

The simple fact of the matter is that Taxi Driver Online is a great concept, its inception was because of a void following the demise of other sites, it was set up with certain principles which were followed until recently.

Then all of a sudden things change, the site produces a document but hides who wrote it without offering any reason for doing so, then things start changing, users need to register if they wish to contribute, the original principles of TDO slipping away like theres no tommorrow, banning members without offering good reason (its ok for them to do it but not for other sites).

I have only 1 question, why would a specialist "taxi" solicitor be contacting licensing departments quoting M&R and this site.

Its only 1 question, but you won't answer it truthfully cause the same bloke will tell YOU to lie.

If you don't believe me then take the matter further, this site is influenced by a solicitor who claims to be a specialist in TAXI matters, Nidge uncovered this parasite and was promptly banned.

Now substanciate your own allegations, you have become a liar and its noticable to a lot of members (thanks everyone for the emails) that the "site" has adopted a slightly different tact recently.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
The simple fact of the matter is that Taxi Driver Online is a great concept, its inception was because of a void following the demise of other sites, it was set up with certain principles which were followed until recently.

Then all of a sudden things change, the site produces a document but hides who wrote it without offering any reason for doing so, then things start changing, users need to register if they wish to contribute, the original principles of TDO slipping away like theres no tommorrow, banning members without offering good reason (its ok for them to do it but not for other sites).

Recently? :-k

M&R was published on here exactly 12 months ago today. :shock:

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
The simple fact of the matter is that Taxi Driver Online is a great concept, its inception was because of a void following the demise of other sites, it was set up with certain principles which were followed until recently.

Then all of a sudden things change, the site produces a document but hides who wrote it without offering any reason for doing so, then things start changing, users need to register if they wish to contribute, the original principles of TDO slipping away like theres no tommorrow, banning members without offering good reason (its ok for them to do it but not for other sites).

Recently? :-k

M&R was published on here exactly 12 months ago today. :shock:


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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Using your logic we should assume that you are a liar then.


You normally show little comprehension of my logic (as I do of yours), so I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion.


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Its also worthy of note that you choose to use 6 replies to make your accusations about my knowledge of your position and the position of your website.


Yes, really worthy of note that, is that the evidence to support your claim?

If it means that much to you, I'll try to keep most of my response in the one post.


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The simple fact of the matter is that Taxi Driver Online is a great concept, its inception was because of a void following the demise of other sites, it was set up with certain principles which were followed until recently


There has been no change in principles of any importance that I can see.


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Then all of a sudden things change, the site produces a document but hides who wrote it without offering any reason for doing so, then things start changing, users need to register if they wish to contribute, the original principles of TDO slipping away like theres no tommorrow, banning members without offering good reason (its ok for them to do it but not for other sites).


How many times does this have to be explained to you? The explanations are quite straigthforward, and if you don't like them then no one is forcing you to post on here.

1) The 'document' merely continued the previous practice.

2) Registration was made compulsory to stop people disruptively posting under several different identities. Also, many people left no ID at all with their offerings, which made the threads difficult to follow. Several contributors specifically requested that registration be made compulsory for this reason. On your own website you changed tack on such issues several times, so if anyone's principles have slipped away then it's yours.

3) One member was banned for attempting to divulge confidential and personal information. He was reinstated shortly afterwards but has clearly taken a huff, so you can hardly blame us for his exit. You yourself have several times complained about your own confidential details being disclosed on the site (details which you yourself put on the site to begin with!) and you have claimed in the past that personal property of yours was damaged because of information you disclosed on a previous forum. Moreover, did you ever stop to think that you may be disclosing the details of a third party who has nothing to do with the trade and perhaps putting them in danger? That's the reasoning - you banned members from your site just because they disagreed with you, so you are hardly in a position to preach self-righteously.

The fact is that this site is the most democratic of its type, and certainly more so then any of the two that you were involved with.

There's a massive irony in the stuff that you are allowed to post on here and your implications of censorship, so keep it up!


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I have only 1 question, why would a specialist "taxi" solicitor be contacting licensing departments quoting M&R and this site.


I give up, why?

If there is, then it's certainly nothing to do with us.

As I posted the other night, the site contacted many parties connected with the trade, which isn't surprising given the site's purpose as an online journal, which should be quite clear to everyone.

But their are no 'specialist solicitors' connected to the site, and the site has never tried to sell anything.

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Its only 1 question, but you won't answer it truthfully cause the same bloke will tell YOU to lie.


What bloke? NO ONE tells me what to write on here, and I've written most of the non-forum stuff.

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If you don't believe me then take the matter further, this site is influenced by a solicitor who claims to be a specialist in TAXI matters, Nidge uncovered this parasite and was promptly banned.


Well you've been asked to provide evidence to substantiate your claim several times, and none has been forthcoming, despite your claim to have 'massive amounts of evidence'.

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Now substanciate your own allegations, you have become a liar and its noticable to a lot of members (thanks everyone for the emails) that the "site" has adopted a slightly different tact recently.


It's YOU that was making the allegations, which you've provided not one scintilla of evidence to substantiate, so it's you that's telling the lies.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Using your logic we should assume that you are a liar then.

Its also worthy of note that you choose to use 6 replies to make your accusations about my knowledge of your position and the position of your website.

The simple fact of the matter is that Taxi Driver Online is a great concept, its inception was because of a void following the demise of other sites, it was set up with certain principles which were followed until recently.

Then all of a sudden things change, the site produces a document but hides who wrote it without offering any reason for doing so, then things start changing, users need to register if they wish to contribute, the original principles of TDO slipping away like theres no tommorrow, banning members without offering good reason (its ok for them to do it but not for other sites).

I have only 1 question, why would a specialist "taxi" solicitor be contacting licensing departments quoting M&R and this site.

Its only 1 question, but you won't answer it truthfully cause the same bloke will tell YOU to lie.

If you don't believe me then take the matter further, this site is influenced by a solicitor who claims to be a specialist in TAXI matters, Nidge uncovered this parasite and was promptly banned.

Now substanciate your own allegations, you have become a liar and its noticable to a lot of members (thanks everyone for the emails) that the "site" has adopted a slightly different tact recently.

B. Lucky


Is it OK with Your Highness if I use another post to summarise your evidence?

- I used several messages when YOU thought I shouldn't.
- Members were asked to register to improve the forum, but anyone can still register and contribute, unlike on your previous forum.
- A member was banned for a very short period for doing something that you have complained about on several occassions.

And from that you conclude that the site is run by a 'specialist solicitor' who is trying to sell his services to local authorities :lol:

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So I'll ask again, can you provide any evidence to support your claims:

Gateshead Angel wrote:
This site is in place to front an attempt by a "specialist" taxi solicitor to convince every council that he can give them advice, at a cost, that will increase their revenue and get them out of trouble with the DfT, even though they aren't in any trouble in the first place.


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I believe that the claims made within this website are defamatory, some of the claims made within M&R are equally questionable.


Since you claim to have 'massive amounts of evidence' providing a tiny little bit shouldn't be that difficult.

If you have none then please say so, we don't expect an apology or even for you to admit that you are wrong, just tell us you have no evidence.

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Happy birthday M&R have a nice day on Fantasy Island


No, that's where you'll find GA and Nidge :lol:

People like you give me a warm glow inside Jimbo :D

When all you come up with is the playground stuff, then by implication it's a tribute :D

Thanks =D>

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:36 am 
TDO, we have debated many topics over many years, you have a certain style of posting as do I, your style however is to discredit at every turn anyone who disagrees with you.

You call members liars to deflect from your own lies, you constantly mis-quote to the point that other members become confused and the debate moves into an area with which you are more comfortable.

Anyone was able to join T&PH in exactly the way they can on here, the only differance was that, as part of the policy of the site, membership could be removed at any time by the admin. Every member who had their membership removed recieved at least one e-mail warning them that their conduct within the site was not suitable and to either change tact or they would be removed.
You said you wouldn't ban members, then you banned Nidge.

You claim that no-one forces me to post on here, but because I believe that you are misinforming people about whats really happening within the trade, based ONLY on my own experiences, I feel compelled to offer the opposing viewpoint. This is mainly because no-one else does, very possible because their skin is not as thick as mine or more likely that they get enough stick from their punters and can't be bothered to argue with someone who shows no respect for the time and effort they put into something without asking for anything but respect from it. Maybe thats why I haven't produced the evidence I have in full, you know what I have as I have told you, your solicitor mate isn't the only one with a phone you know. Nidge uncovered this bloke, and without causing him any detriment personally I will continue to inform the membership of what I am constantly finding out, maybe its best to let them decide TDO, your constant calls that I'm lying without offering anything else to PROVE your replies other than your lies add weight to my argument, at least thats what my email inbox suggests. (gateshead.angel@virgin.net)

Maybe its time for the real truth TDO, and maybe as the owner of the site its down to you to set a good example. I know you won't though as you are a coward, frightened to let people know who you are or where your from, if you really believed in what your saying you would be more forthcoming with information, you choose not to and its basically to the detriment of this site.
You claim its to protect you from the bully boys (apparently like me) but if that were really the case I would have paid Yorkie a visit by now, the differance is that he (Yorkie) tells it as he see's it, I don't agree and an argument insues, it gets personal on occasion but thats what real people are like TDO.

Anyway, get the site back to the way it was, it was much better.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:10 am 
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One member was banned for attempting to divulge confidential and personal information. He was reinstated shortly afterwards but has clearly taken a huff, so you can hardly blame us for his exit.


I'm still here Dusty old boy so please don't flatter yourself.


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