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 Post subject: Diesel price
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:28 pm 
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Today £1.419
12/12/11 1.389
15/11/11 1.399
24/06/11 1.389
20/07/11 1.379
22/09/11 1.359
25/09/11 1.409


so not a huge change

18/04/2009 1.00
01/06/2009 1.06

sob...... at 860 miles a week at 50mpg = 17 gallons or 77ltrs so im £30 a week worse off "fuel wise"

(but had a £120/week rise, swings...... roundabouts)

glad i got rid of the tourneo!

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:53 pm 
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It's going to get higher because the EU have stopped buying oil from Iran.


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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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Speaking to someone in the car trade, who has a bit of knowledge.

And he says their are between 10-15% fewer vehicles on the road, compared with 5 years ago, which does beg the question as top why fuel is so high.

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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Sussex wrote:
Speaking to someone in the car trade, who has a bit of knowledge.

And he says their are between 10-15% fewer vehicles on the road, compared with 5 years ago, which does beg the question as too why fuel is so high.


I heard quite a few refineries are closing across Europe, Repsol (Spain) have closed three, Iran is trying to close the straights that 35% of the worlds oil tanker traffic goes through, Iran's oil sales to Europe will be cheerfully purchased by China it seems, Crude oil will go up, refinery output will fall, and pump prices will rocket

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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re traffic, Ive noticed the roads are quiet now on Fridays, some weeks its like a Bank holiday sunday morning

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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Nidge2 wrote:
It's going to get higher because the EU have stopped buying oil from Iran.


Someone else will buy Iran's oil and the EU will buy from elsewhere.
It won't make any difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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re traffic, Ive noticed the roads are quiet now on Fridays, some weeks its like a Bank holiday sunday morning


People are cutting back on car use, because they can't afford it.
Between fuel, insurance and the state of the economy, people are using their cars less.
Two car families are becoming one car families and others have got rid of them altogether.

Makes you wonder how HMG is going to make up the lost revenue, doesn't it?

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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gusmac wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
re traffic, Ive noticed the roads are quiet now on Fridays, some weeks its like a Bank holiday sunday morning


People are cutting back on car use, because they can't afford it.
Between fuel, insurance and the state of the economy, people are using their cars less.
Two car families are becoming one car families and others have got rid of them altogether.

Makes you wonder how HMG is going to make up the lost revenue, doesn't it?


Yes they have taxed them off the roads :sad: :sad:


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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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gusmac wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:
It's going to get higher because the EU have stopped buying oil from Iran.


Someone else will buy Iran's oil and the EU will buy from elsewhere.
It won't make any difference.


China will happily buy all the oil they can get

Then we can buy it off them +5% markup for the Chinese, in fact it will come straight here and just be invoiced to China who will invoice us

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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wannabeeahack wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:
It's going to get higher because the EU have stopped buying oil from Iran.


Someone else will buy Iran's oil and the EU will buy from elsewhere.
It won't make any difference.


China will happily buy all the oil they can get

Then we can buy it off them +5% markup for the Chinese, in fact it will come straight here and just be invoiced to China who will invoice us

That is how most of the commodity markets work.

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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and with petroplus about to go into receivership that will take out coryton (they've already closed middlesborough) we are going to be highly dependant on imports of diesel as opposed to imports of crude for processing so I can see £1.60 plus by Easter with petrol reaching £1.40 :sad: :sad: :sad:

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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and with petroplus about to go into receivership that will take out coryton (they've already closed middlesborough) we are going to be highly dependant on imports of diesel as opposed to imports of crude for processing so I can see £1.60 plus by Easter with petrol reaching £1.40 :sad: :sad: :sad:



Isn't Petroplus owned by the Spanish / Swiss?


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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:14 pm 
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Petroplus shares are down 85%




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Petroplus shares fell to a record low on Tuesday after the Swiss oil refiner’s mounting losses this year spurred its banks to freeze a $1.1bn loan facility, plunging the company into turmoil.
The company, Europe’s largest independent refiner, warned in a statement that this credit facility was “critical to allow the company’s operating units to meet their obligations when due”.

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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In a nutshell

Bad economy, less demand

less demand, Brent crude now $110/barrel (was $130)

BUT, lets cut production, lets annoy Iran, that will push prices UP instead of down


If theres less demand, shouldnt there be a glut of diesel and LOWER prices, or is it a policy to make AS MUCH (in profit and VAT+DUTY) out of reduced sales by jacking pump prices up?

and you wondered why theres no PROPER electric cars?....

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 Post subject: Re: Diesel price
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The first three quarters of 2011 witnessed a significant slump in petrol sales in the UK, and the AA has said that this is a trend that is likely to continue into 2012.
Petrol sales at the pumps between January and September 2011 totalled 13.9 billion litres – compared with 14.9 billion litres between the same months in 2010 (a fall over over 6%), and 16.3 billion litres in the pre-recession period of January to September 2008.
The cause of this reduced petrol consumption is the economic downturn together with the rising price of fuel, making motorists think twice about making journeys unless they are absolutely necessary. According to an AA/Populus survey of more than 20,000 members, around 40% said that they will either make less journeys or try to drive more economically in 2012.
The AA revealed that it was generally drivers from lower socio-economic groups that intend to be more economical with fuel. Regionally, the south-west of England and Northern Ireland were most confident about reducing car use, while Londoners seemed least likely to change driving habits to be more economical.

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