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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:30 am 
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A much more interesting take on this would be if they legislated that each Individual could only own One Plate!

What if somebody wants to rent a vehicle?

Proprietors can't work 24/7/365.

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:53 pm 
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A much more interesting take on this would be if they legislated that each Individual could only own One Plate!

What if somebody wants to rent a vehicle?

Proprietors can't work 24/7/365.


What if the driver wants to rent a vehicle 24/7?

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:58 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
toots wrote:
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A much more interesting take on this would be if they legislated that each Individual could only own One Plate!

What if somebody wants to rent a vehicle?

Proprietors can't work 24/7/365.


I support regulation of numbers......but I would point out that the obvious question is why are 76% of the country presumably doing it wrong?

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:45 am 
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On January 18 the highest plate number issued was 400 but just 286 are currently in use, meaning 114 are no longer on the road.

What's the relevance of that? #-o

The other 114 plates were surplus to requirements.

It's simple logic, otherwise they would still be in use.

Capish?


It just seems an odd way to put it, that's all, particularly when looking at it from a real world perspective. It's hints at a certain way of thinking.

I mean, why just not say that the maximum number of taxis ever operating in Wirral was 400?

And it would be useful to see a more thorough analysis of the figures, because to be honest they just don't ring true. Seems to be a very high natural wastage, particularly given the current climate when every man and his dog wants to run a taxi until the economy picks up and they get a proper jobs. Is there any precedent for figures like this anywhere else in the UK? Could there be a change in quality control policy that could explain the figures, for example? When did the peak figure arise? How long did it take to get there and how long did it take to decline again to the current position. And the figure of 400 itself seems a bit too nice and tidy.

Anyway, I had a look in the Halcrow report and, surprise surprise, couldn't find any kind of analysis nor even the figure of 400. Not saying it didn't happen, but if numbers did peak at 400 and they'd dropped by over 100 then surely a thorough analysis would have mentioned that.


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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
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Which is fair enough I suppose from their perspective, but it's the fact that this kind of nonsense seems to sway councillors that's worrying.

Oh I get it now!!!

The councillors on the Licensing Committee in The Wirral were worried into stopping the issue of HCV licences by the Halcrow report that they themselves commissioned.

Well that's a new slant on re-restriction; worried councillors!!!

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And even if they were worried, as councillors they have a right to be worried into re-restriction. They are elected into office by the electorate and have to act resposible as they see fit and within the law.

Which they did!!!

They also have the right to start issuing HCV licences some time in the future too!!


You're not actually suggesting that councillors read the report, are you, never mind properly evaluating it? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:59 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
toots wrote:
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A much more interesting take on this would be if they legislated that each Individual could only own One Plate!

What if somebody wants to rent a vehicle?

Proprietors can't work 24/7/365.


Yes, brings to mind our pal from Bournemouth and his magazine article from a few years ago:

"The current low unemployment levels mean there are not enough drifters in the work place to satisfy the amount of cabbies who want and deserve to take it easier." :-({|=

And indeed your point underlines what many of us have been saying for years - restricting vehicle numbers won't restrict entry into the trade, it just means drivers are forced to line the pockets of a prop or buy a plate or take the PH route. Restricted taxi numbers just rearranges the deckchairs, it doesn't control their numbers.

Indeed at para 11.5 the Halcrow report says:

"There is no evidence to suggest that by limiting the number of hackneys, the total fleet of vehicles available for hire (hackneys and private hire) is reduced." [-(


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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:07 am 
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Derek Cummins of the Unite union said many newcomers had signed up to £30,000 finance deals for their vehicle then found it impossible to make a living in a saturated market.


All this suggests is the person did not do proper research into the market that they then invested £30,000 and to use it as an arguement clearly makes him as bright as them

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:08 am 
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All this suggests is the person did not do proper research into the market that they then invested £30,000 and to use it as an arguement clearly makes him as bright as them



Would it also suggest, bearing in mind the number of plates handed in, well over £2 million wasted?

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:10 am 
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All this suggests is the person did not do proper research into the market that they then invested £30,000 and to use it as an arguement clearly makes him as bright as them



Would it also suggest, bearing in mind the number of plates handed in, well over £2 million wasted?

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Who spent £2 million?

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All this suggests is the person did not do proper research into the market that they then invested £30,000 and to use it as an arguement clearly makes him as bright as them



Would it also suggest, bearing in mind the number of plates handed in, well over £2 million wasted?

CC


Who spent £2 million?



how many plates were handed in?

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:16 am 
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how many plates were handed in?


Probably about 150 but the vehicles they were attached to wouldn't have been fully paid for

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:17 am 
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how many plates were handed in?


Probably about 150 but the vehicles they were attached to wouldn't have been fully paid for



you poor deluded fool :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
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how many plates were handed in?


Probably about 150 but the vehicles they were attached to wouldn't have been fully paid for



you poor deluded fool :roll:

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So you're suggesting that not only did they hand the plate back they kept the vehicle and paid for it

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So you're suggesting that not only did they hand the plate back they kept the vehicle and paid for it


No, I'm suggesting someone will pay £30K eventually for the cab.....the person that 'bought' it lost it or handed it back........I'm suggesting 100 plates is £2 million plus worth of sh*t.

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 Post subject: Re: Wirral to limit
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So you're suggesting that not only did they hand the plate back they kept the vehicle and paid for it


No, I'm suggesting someone will pay £30K eventually for the cab.....the person that 'bought' it lost it or handed it back........I'm suggesting 100 plates is £2 million plus worth of sh*t.

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Had the 'somebody' done proper research before investing £30k the £2 million wouldn't have happened

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