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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:43 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the way I read it he wasn't doing anything he shouldn't have been doing, he was blocked in by abandoned vehicles, an ambulance came along and blamed him for it all when he couldn't actually do anything to avoid it. :roll:


An ambulance with blue lights on.....has to pip serveral times an they have an argument?

Yes the ambulanceman is partly to blame but the PHV driver should have pulled well away.

The hospital trust should sort these parking problems out as a result of this complaint.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:47 am 
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How could he pull away if he was blocked in by unattended vehicles and the ambulance behind him? #-o


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:06 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
How could he pull away if he was blocked in by unattended vehicles and the ambulance behind him? #-o



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so I did the only thing I could do by moving forward several feet virtually touching the vehicle infront


several feet would have presumably been enough to get completely out of the way?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:40 am 
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I don't get your point. The circumstances could be such that he could move hundreds of yards forward and still be blocking the way, in theory at least. I'm assuming he just meant he did all he could to let the ambulance through, but that still didn't leave sufficient room.

I'm taking what Adsa says at face value. You and Sus clearly aren't, which is your prerogative, but if you think he's talking out of his backside then why not just say it?

Kind of reminds me of a TV documentary once, when an ambulance was squeezing through busy traffic, but there was a collision with a car. Of course, the car driver was considered to be at fault, even though it was clearly stationery at the time. The ambulance driver had obviously misjudged the space available and had hit the car.

Or someone who wrote to the press after a paramedic had been charged with a driving offence after an accident. The correspondent thought that they should have been let off because they assisted with tending to the injured at the scene of the accident.

Or I recall a police driver with a blue light gesticulating at me one day because he'd come up behind me and I hadn't done anything to let him past. But there was a reason for this - it was on a bad series of bends, and there was non-stop traffic coming the other way. If I'd tried to let him past I'd have impeded his progress rather than assisted it, but clearly he knew better.

It's often not so much to do with right or wrong as self-righteousness and self-importance, society's pecking order and some sections of society being treated as if they're thick as shi-ite.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:07 am 
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Thanks for the many responses ! Whether positive or negative.....they still help in educating me with reference to the problems I have highlighted.

I was "between a rock and a hard place" - and no place to go to. The blues and twos were not 'on' - but that is irrelevent as it was an A&E ambulance at the A&E ambulance bay (irrelevent if I could move or not).

The biggest problem I have encountered is when I was called into the licencing office where a youngish lady (30-40) determined what happened on that day. Like 'Captain Cab'.....she had already decided blame even before hearing my side or indeed prior to receiving a statement from the ambulance driver himself. Basically, her words were the ambulance driver has a very stressful job.......not the same as picking people up from their homes and taking them to a pub ????? The ambulanceman was not answerable to me....and neither was she !!!! Basically, she patronized me, criticized me and repeatedly claimed that I had no right being there, all this without even confirming from the relevant bodies....whether I could or not.

I just wonder, if the situation was reversed and the ambulance driver was accused of being abusive to me ?? What 'if' anything would licencing do to help me ??? What right has licencing got to dictate where I pick up on hospital land when it has been agreed with the health authority ???? If that is the case... then they should also define where we pick up in supermarkets, bus stations etc too.
Irrelevent of the job I do ! I still take pride in it and try do the best I can ? Infact, considering I have been a licenced driver since 1987, I still hold an absolutely clean licence and have done so for the last 22 years.

As taxi drivers........ we all know where we are perceived to be in the hierarchy of jobs, this from both the public as well as the licencing authorities. Before being judgemental though, it is better to establish all the facts before acting as 'judge, jury and executioners' ......... that's all I am asking ! There is always two sides of the coin .......... ?????


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:20 pm 
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Asda, if you or your loved ones were in the back of a 999 ambulance dying would you like a taxi driver to be a road block stopping it getting to A&E?....

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:00 pm 
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It seems to me people are not getting this post.
He can not move . there is a vehicle in front of him, where is he supposed to move to? He is sandwiched
between 2 ambulances . It appears to me members on this forum are deliberately not being helpful to this poster for some reason. When normally they are full of information on how to deal with L.As and driver predicaments.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:47 pm 
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Thank you 'Youbeenbusy' ! My faith in peoples ability in being able to 'read' and interpret the information provided has been restored ! I think personally, those continuing to comment on the situation who do not understand what ' I was completely blocked' means .......are those that think reading material is that which is accompanied by pictures such as the Beano. The information is provided, with hand on heart honesty - it is there quite clearly and fellow drivers should at least understand the situation before commenting, afterall it is their professional expertise that I am on this forum for.......not their bigoted opinions which they have formed whilst reading the articles with their eyes shut ! Thanks to all others though.....who appreciate it could be them in a similar situation one day !


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:59 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
So if you mean he should just grovel to the powers that be even though he was in no way in the wrong, but to that extent then he may keep his licence, then I entirely agree.

No one should grovel, but if you can't go forward or backward, then why do you need to have a ruck.

Just have a sleep until the way is cleared. As soon as you ruck the idiots have won.

Which appears to be the case here.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:35 pm 
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Well again it depends precisely what happened.

You're assuming that Adsa took an abrasive attitude rather than just remonstrating with the ambulance driver in a reasonable manner and try to explain what was happening.

If the other driver really did think Adsa was in the wrong with the parking scenario then he would clearly be the type who'd think even trying to be reasonable was being 'abusive', aka deflating his sense of ego and self-importance slightly.

You know how some people are about these things. You as much as question someone in a council office and they accuse you of being aggressive, or whatever.

I recall reading about how hospital management couldn't tell some nurses what to do because even given them orders was regarded as bullying. for example.

Most people in all walks of life are reasonable, but in any walk of life there's a minority who basically have a slightly distorted view of things.

Anyway, I don't think there's as much disagreement between us all on this as the thread might suggest, it's more to do with our interpretation of what Adsa said and whether we take him at face value, but clearly there's a lot of misinterpretation of what he said as well.

So I don't suppose there's much more any of us can add other than to hope that justice is done :)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:24 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
You're assuming that Adsa took an abrasive attitude rather than just remonstrating with the ambulance driver in a reasonable manner and try to explain what was happening.

I'm assuming the former because the latter in this trade is a very rare thing.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:05 am 
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Sussex wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
You're assuming that Adsa took an abrasive attitude rather than just remonstrating with the ambulance driver in a reasonable manner and try to explain what was happening.

I'm assuming the former because the latter in this trade is a very rare thing.


especially when many have English as a 2nd or 3rd language...

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:01 pm 
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Oh, now you´re being more to the point, wannabeawhack!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:06 pm 
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Christ, let´s just look at English students what they do with the time they saved for they were born with the right language! I wanna see foreign students who can afford that much time getting [edited by admin], they are all to busy learning the presently dominating language! (But wait and see what´s to become of the West if this goes on and get yourself a Mandarin dictionary for you´re gonna need it!)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:37 pm 
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Jochen Lembke wrote:
Christ, let´s just look at English students what they do with the time they saved for they were born with the right language! I wanna see foreign students who can afford that much time getting [edited by admin], they are all to busy learning the presently dominating language! (But wait and see what´s to become of the West if this goes on and get yourself a Mandarin dictionary for you´re gonna need it!)



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