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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:37 pm 
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Democracy, Independence, Freedom you have got to be having a laugh, not unless people wake-up.

No one can force you to see what you don't want to see, but the truth is right under your nose. Under the present system, you are merely voting in another cabal. :-|


So assuming people wake up, what happens next?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:53 pm 
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You lot need to live outside Scotland for a time to get away from all that Independence nonsense.
Then you might be able to see how the world looks upon Scotland and where it actually stands in
the wider world. The USA and its people think very differently of Scotland since releasing that terrorist ,
so a lot of money and investment lost there. on that decision .

The only people who would relish the change would be the EU gangsters ,who would welcome in the snp and
then mug them for their wee bit of oil, then impose all sorts of EU fiscal policy upon them. of course by then its too late. By that time Salmond and his cronies will have retired on nice pensions while the rest of the jocks will have to get used to paying more EU taxes to keep the EU dream alive.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:54 pm 
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You lot need to live outside Scotland for a time to get away from all that Independence nonsense.
Then you might be able to see how the world looks upon Scotland and where it actually stands in
the wider world. The USA and its people think very differently of Scotland since releasing that terrorist ,
so a lot of money and investment lost there. on that decision .

The only people who would relish the change would be the EU gangsters ,who would welcome in the snp and
then mug them for their wee bit of oil, then impose all sorts of EU fiscal policy upon them. of course by then its too late. By that time Salmond and his cronies will have retired on nice pensions while the rest of the jocks will have to get used to paying more EU taxes to keep the EU dream alive.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:34 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:
feel free to correct any of the following.

You did not choose your parents, your country, your culture, your religion, your school/education or the political system you appear to believe in.


My father was Catholic. My mother was Church of Scotland.
I choose to be an athiest.


You chose to be an atheist very much later in life, when you started to question the bullshit you were fed as a child. Oh and remember, your parents did their very best to brainwash you for your own good, because they loved you.

The type of brainwashing you receive as a child, is an accident of birth and geographical location. Just think Gusmac, if you were born in the Gaza Strip, you might be blowing yourself up in an Israeli market place on behalf of Hamas, (Islamic Resistance Movement).


I'll answer your other post when I get a moment. :-|


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:45 pm 
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You lot need to live outside Scotland for a time to get away from all that Independence nonsense.
Then you might be able to see how the world looks upon Scotland and where it actually stands in
the wider world. The USA and its people think very differently of Scotland since releasing that terrorist ,
so a lot of money and investment lost there. on that decision .

The only people who would relish the change would be the EU gangsters ,who would welcome in the snp and
then mug them for their wee bit of oil, then impose all sorts of EU fiscal policy upon them. of course by then its too late. By that time Salmond and his cronies will have retired on nice pensions while the rest of the jocks will have to get used to paying more EU taxes to keep the EU dream alive.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:12 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
You and your fellow unionists need to make a positive case for the union. Something no one has thus far managed to do.
Trouble is, I don't think there is one, and it shows.
It's for the unionists to prove me wrong. You up for it?


Well I'm not a Unionist as such (either regarding the UK or EU) Gus, and if a majority of the Scots want to break away then that's fine by me, and I personally can't really see it making a lot of difference to myself so to that extent it doesn't bother me.

However, I've had it up the here(!) with politicians, whether at Westminster or Brussels, and as far as I can see Alex Salmond is just another snake oil salesman and s h i t stirrer par excellence who's managing to fool people into thinking an independent Scotland will be something that it won't be.

Of course some would gain out of it, just as some Scots gain from the Union, but I think it'll cause a lot of division and a lot of disappointment.

I was a bit of a flag waver - a la yourself and Captain Cab - in my younger days as well, but now I'd burn the fecking lot of them. The flags that is, not the politicians, but perhaps burning the latter wouldn't be such a bad idea either :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:20 pm 
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"The question is, would we have allowed [the banking shambles] to happen in the first place?"

Of course, you always choose to ignore the likes of this that I posted last summer.:

"We are pledging a light-touch regulation suitable to a Scottish financial sector with its outstanding reputation for probity, as opposed to one like that in the UK, which absorbs huge amounts of management time in ‘gold-plated’ regulation."

Alex Salmond, 2007


Equally, Salmond is still blaming Westminster, the Financial Services Authority and the Bank of England for the banking collapse, and the likes of Jeremy Paxman seem more concerned with making silly comparisons to Robert Mugabe rather than making the more penetrating point that Salmond was as clueless about banking regulation as everyone else.

It would have happened whether or not Scotland was independent. Scotland would have little influence on international markets anyway, which is why it would have just went with the flow in the run up to the collapse, as Alex Salmond't quote ably demonstrates.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:12 am 
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By the way, Tone, that poster is nonsense in another major respect.

I mean, what has the size of Scotland's GDP got to do with its ability to bail out the banks?

Jack, I would suggest, apart from impressive sounding numbers which few people really understand.

In fact if you ask the SNP I think you'll find they concede that Scotland couldn't have bailed out the banks, instead they tell you that the burden would have fallen on the countries where the banks are situated. I think they're right, but the point is that Scotland couldn't have done it alone.

And indeed, I suspect the 'cost' of bailing out the banks is a lot less than the figure in your graphic. The important figure is the amount needed to finance the bailout, which I suspect is a lot more than that in your graphic, but the cost is a lot less. In fact I think the UK Treasury forecast a long-term profit from the bank bail-out, so it's a gain rather than a cost, but the point is raising the necessary funds in the first place.

For example, anyone could have made a profit on buying and selling property in the last few decades, but an important factor is raising the money to buy property in the first place. Not everyone can.

So you win and you lose as regards the true facts, but either way that poster should be put on the fire, just like the flags. :sad:

(It's a bit like buying a taxi plate. Anyone buying one twenty years ago could have made an easy profit, but the problem for many is raising the dosh to finance the purchase in the first place.)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:21 am 
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By the way, Tone, that poster is nonsense in another major respect.

I mean, what has the size of Scotland's GDP got to do with its ability to bail out the banks?

Jack, I would suggest, apart from impressive sounding numbers which few people really understand.

In fact if you ask the SNP I think you'll find they concede that Scotland couldn't have bailed out the banks, instead they tell you that the burden would have fallen on the countries where the banks are situated. I think they're right, but the point is that Scotland couldn't have done it alone.

And indeed, I suspect the 'cost' of bailing out the banks is a lot less than the figure in your graphic. The important figure is the amount needed to finance the bailout, which I suspect is a lot more than that in your graphic, but the cost is a lot less. In fact I think the UK Treasury forecast a long-term profit from the bank bail-out, so it's a gain rather than a cost, but the point is raising the necessary funds in the first place.

For example, anyone could have made a profit on buying and selling property in the last few decades, but an important factor is raising the money to buy property in the first place. Not everyone can.

So you win and you lose as regards the true facts, but either way that poster should be put on the fire, just like the flags. :sad:

(It's a bit like buying a taxi plate. Anyone buying one twenty years ago could have made an easy profit, but the problem for many is raising the dosh to finance the purchase in the first place.)



I would be the first to admit, I dont know f*ck all about running a country, if we were running a brewery, and organising a knees up, I would probably be your man, but there you go.

If a country knows its getting £145 whatever......and decides its going to spend £140 whatever on health, social and whatever else......and it suddenly gets a £66 whatever bill it got to pay.........wouldnt that leave that country....in the sh*te? or am I being stupid.....and maybe racist?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:02 am 
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Perhaps it's a bit like someone who earns £145,000 and they're faced with an unexpected emergency bill for £66,000.

Although they're earning big bucks that's not to say they'll be able to raise a big sum like that in an emergency.

I mean, a taxi driver may earn £15,000, but if they had to find a few grand quickly it might not be that easy. Say if their taxi was written off and the insurance was void.

So I think you're right - that's not to say that they couldn't raise the money, just that it wouldn't happen automatically, and while some people might be able to raise it not problem, it could prove difficult for others, and it's the same with countries.

Thus implying that because Scotland's GDP is bigger than the money it took to bail out the banks Scotland could have managed it is nonsense.

As I said, even the SNP admit that Scotland couldn't have done it alone. Instead they're saying the burden would have fallen elsewhere.


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You lot need to live outside Scotland for a time to get away from all that Independence nonsense.
Then you might be able to see how the world looks upon Scotland and where it actually stands in
the wider world. The USA and its people think very differently of Scotland since releasing that terrorist ,
so a lot of money and investment lost there. on that decision .

The only people who would relish the change would be the EU gangsters ,who would welcome in the snp and
then mug them for their wee bit of oil, then impose all sorts of EU fiscal policy upon them. of course by then its too late. By that time Salmond and his cronies will have retired on nice pensions while the rest of the jocks will have to get used to paying more EU taxes to keep the EU dream alive.



In a nutshell ^^^^^^^^^.


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