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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:33 pm 
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A Few points to note: The Scottish parliament passed its budget today :wink: £30 billion pound yearly budget. Do you really believe that Scotland through Oil, Renewable energy, Whisky and a lower rate of Corporation tax couldn't raise at least double that per year?

We're being shafted by westminster big Time :wink:

Im Pro Norway route and anti Europe but here is a point you may want to chew on :wink:

It Is Great Britain as we know it that is signed up to the EU, if Scotland goes independent doesnt that change the constitutional make up that is Great Britain to something like, The United Kingdom of England Wales and Northern Ireland, UKEWNI, There for wouldn't UKEWNI need to rejoin the EU as a different entity to its current status as Great Britain :?:

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The sad thing is, Dougie and Stationtone are typical as your brainwashed Scot. To many films and football matches, one might say. Unfortunately, there are those in the middle classes that think they might fall into Salmond's “chosen few category” and with the state of the economy, it's the, “maybe it's time for a change” approach to political leadership, and Salmond knows it. As for the Super Rich, they are merely waiting to see if Salmond is up to the job of head whipping boy. :-|



Watch the film, The Story of Your Enslavement http://freedomainradio.com/Videos.aspx again, and read, The Matrix, you might actually learn something.

It scares Dougie and Stationtone shi*less. It's just way above there heads. :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


In my opinion, The Matrix films provide the best metaphor our society has for understanding why organized evil and oppression are allowed to exist, and so I will use it for this purpose. While my interpretation isn't the only possible one, I believe it to be valid, comprehensive, and most importantly, illustrative of the message I am trying to convey.

So let's begin by discussing what the Matrix is not. The Matrix is not the physical world. As far as I'm concerned, the physical world is actually real and is in fact governed ceaselessly by the laws of physics. Conversely, the Matrix is also not the Internet, despite what many seem to believe. The Matrix spans and transcends both these worlds. It has existed since the dawn of civilization, and it will continue to exist until its collapse.
So then, what is it? Well, that's complicated. Much like in the movie, it's nearly impossible to convey the size and scope of the Matrix to someone who doesn't already see it for what it is. However, unlike the movie, I believe it is an ethical imperative to try to convey it in a literal sense, even to those who are so dependent upon the Matrix that they would fight to protect it. At worst, they won't understand or believe and will continue on about their business. In a sense, I believe Cypher was right to resent Morpheus for what he did, because Morpheus engaged in flat out trickery and deception to free people.

But I digress. The Matrix is the social structure that subordinates Humanity to its will. It is the machinery of society that exists solely to perpetuate itself, its influence, and its power independent of any human need. It insulates us from each other and ourselves through deception, and essentially transforms us into servile engines of economic and political output (power). The machines that live off this power are institutions: large corporations, governments, schools, religious institutions, and even non-profit orgs. Every institution will reach a point in its existence where its primary function becomes self-preservation and perpetuation, instead of serving human need. At this point it becomes a machine of the Matrix. For example, when they become machines, governments cease to serve people and instead seek to extend their power over them; corporations prioritize increasing shareholder value over producing quality products or otherwise serving the public good; schools view students as a means and not an end; religious organizations equate membership with salvation (and actively oppose other teachings and even independent practice); and non-profits and charities spend more budget on fund raising activity than on their original focus. Inevitably all large institutions eventually become machines. They become too big for Humanity.

In addition to the independent self-perpetuating machines that write most of our paychecks, the Matrix has several major cooperative and more actively sinister groups of machines subsisting off of its power and directly contributing to the structure of the Matrix itself. These groups are the Military Industrial Complex, the Political Industrial Complex, the Prison Industrial Complex, the Surveillance Industrial Complex, the Media Industrial Complex, the Academic Industrial Complex, the Agricultural Industrial Complex, the Medical Industrial Complex and the major religious organizations (not to be confused with actual religions, many religious organizatons have abandoned the underlying principles of the religions they claim to represent). All machines in these groups either actively oppress humanity, or enable the oppression to persist. It is through their combined efforts that the Matrix takes on some of its more distasteful qualities. :-|


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Never even watched your vid sorry, probably should confess now to stop you spending more time typing drivel . I think your like a trainspotter in his own wee world of poor me nobody likes me they are all out to get me , so i like to throw you a hook with some bate on it now and again,and you take it every time . =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


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The sad thing is, Dougie and Stationtone are typical as your brainwashed Scot. To many films and football matches, one might say. Unfortunately, there are those in the middle classes that think they might fall into Salmond's “chosen few category” and with the state of the economy, it's the, “maybe it's time for a change” approach to political leadership, and Salmond knows it. As for the Super Rich, they are merely waiting to see if Salmond is up to the job of head whipping boy. :-|



Watch the film, The Story of Your Enslavement http://freedomainradio.com/Videos.aspx again, and read, The Matrix, you might actually learn something.

It scares Dougie and Stationtone shi*less. It's just way above there heads. :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:


In my opinion, The Matrix films provide the best metaphor our society has for understanding why organized evil and oppression are allowed to exist, and so I will use it for this purpose. While my interpretation isn't the only possible one, I believe it to be valid, comprehensive, and most importantly, illustrative of the message I am trying to convey.

So let's begin by discussing what the Matrix is not. The Matrix is not the physical world. As far as I'm concerned, the physical world is actually real and is in fact governed ceaselessly by the laws of physics. Conversely, the Matrix is also not the Internet, despite what many seem to believe. The Matrix spans and transcends both these worlds. It has existed since the dawn of civilization, and it will continue to exist until its collapse.
So then, what is it? Well, that's complicated. Much like in the movie, it's nearly impossible to convey the size and scope of the Matrix to someone who doesn't already see it for what it is. However, unlike the movie, I believe it is an ethical imperative to try to convey it in a literal sense, even to those who are so dependent upon the Matrix that they would fight to protect it. At worst, they won't understand or believe and will continue on about their business. In a sense, I believe Cypher was right to resent Morpheus for what he did, because Morpheus engaged in flat out trickery and deception to free people.

But I digress. The Matrix is the social structure that subordinates Humanity to its will. It is the machinery of society that exists solely to perpetuate itself, its influence, and its power independent of any human need. It insulates us from each other and ourselves through deception, and essentially transforms us into servile engines of economic and political output (power). The machines that live off this power are institutions: large corporations, governments, schools, religious institutions, and even non-profit orgs. Every institution will reach a point in its existence where its primary function becomes self-preservation and perpetuation, instead of serving human need. At this point it becomes a machine of the Matrix. For example, when they become machines, governments cease to serve people and instead seek to extend their power over them; corporations prioritize increasing shareholder value over producing quality products or otherwise serving the public good; schools view students as a means and not an end; religious organizations equate membership with salvation (and actively oppose other teachings and even independent practice); and non-profits and charities spend more budget on fund raising activity than on their original focus. Inevitably all large institutions eventually become machines. They become too big for Humanity.

In addition to the independent self-perpetuating machines that write most of our paychecks, the Matrix has several major cooperative and more actively sinister groups of machines subsisting off of its power and directly contributing to the structure of the Matrix itself. These groups are the Military Industrial Complex, the Political Industrial Complex, the Prison Industrial Complex, the Surveillance Industrial Complex, the Media Industrial Complex, the Academic Industrial Complex, the Agricultural Industrial Complex, the Medical Industrial Complex and the major religious organizations (not to be confused with actual religions, many religious organizatons have abandoned the underlying principles of the religions they claim to represent). All machines in these groups either actively oppress humanity, or enable the oppression to persist. It is through their combined efforts that the Matrix takes on some of its more distasteful qualities. :-|


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Never even watched your vid sorry, probably should confess now to stop you spending more time typing drivel . I think your like a trainspotter in his own wee world of poor me nobody likes me they are all out to get me , so i like to throw you a hook with some bate on it now and again,and you take it every time . =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


You started to watch the video but the closer it got to the truth, the more you started to switch off. I've got to hand it to Salmond. He knows that independence, is a battle for the minds of Scots, only too happy to wallow in their own ignorance. #-o


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Dusty Bin wrote:
Perhaps it's a bit like someone who earns £145,000 and they're faced with an unexpected emergency bill for £66,000.

Although they're earning big bucks that's not to say they'll be able to raise a big sum like that in an emergency.

I mean, a taxi driver may earn £15,000, but if they had to find a few grand quickly it might not be that easy. Say if their taxi was written off and the insurance was void.

So I think you're right - that's not to say that they couldn't raise the money, just that it wouldn't happen automatically, and while some people might be able to raise it not problem, it could prove difficult for others, and it's the same with countries.

Thus implying that because Scotland's GDP is bigger than the money it took to bail out the banks Scotland could have managed it is nonsense.


As I said, even the SNP admit that Scotland couldn't have done it alone. Instead they're saying the burden would have fallen elsewhere.


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Skull wrote:

You started to watch the video but the closer it got to the truth, the more you started to switch off. I've got to hand it to Salmond. He knows that independence, is a battle for the minds of Scots, only too happy to wallow in their own ignorance. #-o



I think you're wasting your words.

I also think Salmond is a canny politician.

He aint bothered whether you get full independence or independence lite.

He knows 35% of scots want independence, this figure is more or slightly less an historical fact.

He knows he cannot get through a with straight yes or no.

He also knows the love of Scots of Westminster, he'll cry interference if a three way vote is rejected.

Divide to rule.....get a three way vote and you get the unionists splitting the 65%, which makes his already known 35% a clear winner.

Very clever......he should be the UK's PM.

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The problem is, Scotlands best politicians want the UK.....they therefore want to be in westminster and this has happened, Gordon Brown was a decent guy who was unfortunately one step behind a complete tw*t, he was never going to win an election, due to the length of time his party was in charge.

The SNP, to their credit, have sidestepped westminster and created a scots nation of sorts. Everything is superficial, but that doesnt matter, they have convinced a majority of people they could govern.......the fact is they are merely like a county council in England, but that kind of fact doesnt matter.....its done with flags.

The snp themselves have all been careful in how to speak about the UK and westminster, the way they refer to it is like a completely foreign country.

Its all very clever - blame the english for everything and be polite about it - dont really mention things like defence and monarchy because that causes concern to the middle of the road scots.

Whilst I still think scots independence is a scots decision......the propaganda and the way things are being put is like what jim suggests......the nuke subs in scotland is one obvious point.....10,000 jobs associated? ffs I'm sure many parts of england would cry out for that.

Building of warships on the clyde? They'd still be built in new investment in Tyneside.

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The problem is, Scotlands best politicians want the UK.....they therefore want to be in westminster and this has happened, Gordon Brown was a decent guy who was unfortunately one step behind a complete tw*t, he was never going to win an election, due to the length of time his party was in charge.....he has been mooted as a possible leader for scots labour....whether he did or not is obviously a matter of debate.

The SNP, to their credit, have sidestepped westminster and created a scots nation of sorts. Everything is superficial, but that doesnt matter, they have convinced a majority of people they could govern.......the fact is they are merely like a county council in England, but that kind of fact doesnt matter.....its done with flags.

The snp themselves have all been careful in how to speak about the UK and westminster, the way they refer to it is like a completely foreign country.

Its all very clever - blame the english for everything and be polite about it - dont really mention things like defence and monarchy because that causes concern to the middle of the road scots.

Whilst I still think scots independence is a scots decision......the propaganda and the way things are being put is like what jim suggests......the nuke subs in scotland is one obvious point.....10,000 jobs associated? ffs I'm sure many parts of england would cry out for that.

Building of warships on the clyde? They'd still be built in new investment in Tyneside.

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Didn't hear anyone saying that much during the election :shock:

In fact it was mostly all the fault of the Jocks as I remember..........

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Would an independent Scotland be financially sound?
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By John Jappy

As a civil servant in London, and being part of the establishment, I always accepted the general view that an independent Scotland would not be able to survive on its own without financial help from the London Exchequer.

However, when in 1968 I was able to examine the so-called "books" for the first time, I was shocked to find that the position was exactly the opposite and that Scotland contributed much more to the UK economy than its other partners. This was, of course, before the oil boom.

I realised that the Treasury would wish to keep this a secret, as it might feed nationalistic tendencies north of the border, which at that time were very weak. I took the decision to keep an eye on the situation to see how long it would take for the true facts to emerge, which I felt would only be a short time. However, the Treasury and the Establishment did an excellent job, aided and abetted by the media, to keep the myth about Scotland alive.

In fact it took another 30 years before the first chink in their armour started to appear. This came unexpectedly on 13 January 1997 when, in reply to a series of questions put by SNP Leader in the Commons, Alex Salmond MP to the then Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot.

There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media.

Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library (ref. 98/8/56 EP/rjt) which gave a table showing that based on Scotland's GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world's wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place.

When the Labour government came to power it announced a 1p cut in the standard rate of income tax. From my detailed knowledge of income tax, I felt that this was the worst possible thing that they could do, as extra monies would be needed following on from the Thatcher era, if they were to fulfil even a fraction of their promises to the electorate. I came to the conclusion, and I still feel that I was right, that this was done by Labour to prove to the voters of Middle England that they could match the Tories in tax cuts.

Despite the disclosures of 1998, attempts to deceive the Scottish electorate did not end there. In March 1999 a Labour Party leaflet appeared which said that if the SNP were to forego Gordon Brown's 1p cut in the standard rate of income tax, every family in Scotland would be £250 worse off. This became the major topic of a TV debate between Alex Salmond and Donald Dewar. Salmond tried to point out to Dewar that he was using the wrong figures. Watching the debate, I saw Dewar's eyes roll in his head for a few moments but he carried on regardless.

After the debate it took the Labour Party a whole week to admit that they were wrong. There was in fact a whole chain of errors which the Labour Party tried to blame on "printing mistakes". However Labour could not deny the fact that in their calculations the UK average figure, which included the high wage earners in the city of London and the booming economy in the South East corner of England (which if I may say so were the result of the selfish policies of Mrs Margaret Thatcher), the figure used was almost double those of the average Scottish wage which at that time stood at £17,000 per year.

Looking closely at the figures and taking the year 2006 as a benchmark, I found that Scotland had an annual relative surplus of £2,8 billion, which works out at £560 for every man, woman and child. In contrast the UK had a deficit of £34.8 billion.

In November 2006, the U.N. published its annual "Human Development Index". For the sixth year running, oil rich Norway topped the list, and won on such factors as generous welfare payments, education, high income and a long life expectancy. Norway wisely created an "oil fund" in 1995 which in 5 years reached a total of £250 billion, so that Norway sailed through the Credit Crunch.

Who are the real subsidy junkies?

Any lingering doubt that Scotland more than pays its way, or survives on subsidies, was dispelled by a new report published in October 2007. Whilst the Daily Mail, which by no stretch of the imagination could be described as a supporter of Scottish nationalism, devoted a whole page to the analysis of the report which was based on tax paid per capita as against spending, Northern Ireland received £4,212 more than it paid in tax, North East England £3,133, Wales £2,990, N.W. England £1732, South West England £978, West Midlands £931, East Midlands £185 and lastly Scotland £38. Only the South East corner produced a small surplus due to tax paid on the high wages within the city of London at this time (pre-Credit Crunch).

Analysis

It is no longer refuted that Scotland exports more per capita than the rest of the UK. In 1968 when I first discovered that Scotland was in surplus in relation to the rest of the UK, its exports could be broken down into whisky, meat, timber, fish, and of course tourism which is a huge hidden income. Those exports are supported by a population of only 5,000,000 as against 45,000,000 for the rest of the UK, quite a substantial advantage.

With the oil boom, Scotland's economy was transformed. Scottish oil has to date funded the Treasury with £300 billion, which has pushed Scotland up from 7th place in World Wealth rankings, had it been in control of its own resources, to 3rd place.

On 29 May 2008, Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling admitted in a back-handed way, that Scotland's oil revenue had been underwriting the UK's failure to balance its books for decades. There is still 30 years of oil supply left in the North Sea (some 150 million barrels) valued at 2008 prices at 1 trillion dollars. This excludes the new fields being brought into production in deeper waters west of Shetland.

Meantime whisky exports, which I listed in 1968 as one of Scotland's top assets, have risen at a phenomenal rate. For example, whisky exports to China amounted to £1 million in 2000/2001, by 2007 they had risen to £70 million. They have continued to rise, although I don't have more recent statistics.

On the economies of Independence, Scotland has also 18 times its requirements in North Sea gas, which on current trading is more expensive than oil. The country exports 24% of its surplus electricity south of the Border, with much of the back-up by Hydro Electric unused.

Even if nuclear is excluded, the future looks bright, the new Glen Doe hydro station on Loch Ness which was opened by Scotland's First Minister last year can produce enough electricity for 240,000 homes. Further projects down the Loch which have now reached the planning stage will increase this to over 1,000,000 homes. Wind and wave energy will also contribute significantly in the future.

No doubt as the time draws nearer to the referendum on Scottish Independence, politicians will do their best to distort the figures, but the truth is something that never varies.


Before retiring, John Jappy was a senior civil servant in the Inland Revenue, working for the Accountant & Comptroller General's Branch based at Somerset House in London. His duties involved liaising closely with Treasury officials to prepare accounts and financial information for UK government ministers.
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Would an independent Scotland be financially sound?
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By John Jappy

As a civil servant in London, and being part of the establishment, I always accepted the general view that an independent Scotland would not be able to survive on its own without financial help from the London Exchequer.

However, when in 1968 I was able to examine the so-called "books" for the first time, I was shocked to find that the position was exactly the opposite and that Scotland contributed much more to the UK economy than its other partners. This was, of course, before the oil boom.

I realised that the Treasury would wish to keep this a secret, as it might feed nationalistic tendencies north of the border, which at that time were very weak. I took the decision to keep an eye on the situation to see how long it would take for the true facts to emerge, which I felt would only be a short time. However, the Treasury and the Establishment did an excellent job, aided and abetted by the media, to keep the myth about Scotland alive.

In fact it took another 30 years before the first chink in their armour started to appear. This came unexpectedly on 13 January 1997 when, in reply to a series of questions put by SNP Leader in the Commons, Alex Salmond MP to the then Tory government, Treasury Minister William Waldegrave admitted that Scotland had paid a massive £27 billion more to the London Exchequer than it had received since the Tories came to power in 1979. Statistically this works out at £5,400 for every Scot.

There were no attempts to refute these figures, which caused much embarrassment to the Tory Government of the day. However, the facts were quickly covered up by the Unionist controlled media.

Then a year later with a Labour government now in power came a further bombshell. Following further promptings by the SNP, on 21 August 1998, Mr Salmond received a letter from the House of Commons Library (ref. 98/8/56 EP/rjt) which gave a table showing that based on Scotland's GDP per capita, Scotland would occupy 7th place in the world's wealth league. The UK was at 17th Place.

When the Labour government came to power it announced a 1p cut in the standard rate of income tax. From my detailed knowledge of income tax, I felt that this was the worst possible thing that they could do, as extra monies would be needed following on from the Thatcher era, if they were to fulfil even a fraction of their promises to the electorate. I came to the conclusion, and I still feel that I was right, that this was done by Labour to prove to the voters of Middle England that they could match the Tories in tax cuts.

Despite the disclosures of 1998, attempts to deceive the Scottish electorate did not end there. In March 1999 a Labour Party leaflet appeared which said that if the SNP were to forego Gordon Brown's 1p cut in the standard rate of income tax, every family in Scotland would be £250 worse off. This became the major topic of a TV debate between Alex Salmond and Donald Dewar. Salmond tried to point out to Dewar that he was using the wrong figures. Watching the debate, I saw Dewar's eyes roll in his head for a few moments but he carried on regardless.

After the debate it took the Labour Party a whole week to admit that they were wrong. There was in fact a whole chain of errors which the Labour Party tried to blame on "printing mistakes". However Labour could not deny the fact that in their calculations the UK average figure, which included the high wage earners in the city of London and the booming economy in the South East corner of England (which if I may say so were the result of the selfish policies of Mrs Margaret Thatcher), the figure used was almost double those of the average Scottish wage which at that time stood at £17,000 per year.

Looking closely at the figures and taking the year 2006 as a benchmark, I found that Scotland had an annual relative surplus of £2,8 billion, which works out at £560 for every man, woman and child. In contrast the UK had a deficit of £34.8 billion.

In November 2006, the U.N. published its annual "Human Development Index". For the sixth year running, oil rich Norway topped the list, and won on such factors as generous welfare payments, education, high income and a long life expectancy. Norway wisely created an "oil fund" in 1995 which in 5 years reached a total of £250 billion, so that Norway sailed through the Credit Crunch.

Who are the real subsidy junkies?

Any lingering doubt that Scotland more than pays its way, or survives on subsidies, was dispelled by a new report published in October 2007. Whilst the Daily Mail, which by no stretch of the imagination could be described as a supporter of Scottish nationalism, devoted a whole page to the analysis of the report which was based on tax paid per capita as against spending, Northern Ireland received £4,212 more than it paid in tax, North East England £3,133, Wales £2,990, N.W. England £1732, South West England £978, West Midlands £931, East Midlands £185 and lastly Scotland £38. Only the South East corner produced a small surplus due to tax paid on the high wages within the city of London at this time (pre-Credit Crunch).

Analysis

It is no longer refuted that Scotland exports more per capita than the rest of the UK. In 1968 when I first discovered that Scotland was in surplus in relation to the rest of the UK, its exports could be broken down into whisky, meat, timber, fish, and of course tourism which is a huge hidden income. Those exports are supported by a population of only 5,000,000 as against 45,000,000 for the rest of the UK, quite a substantial advantage.

With the oil boom, Scotland's economy was transformed. Scottish oil has to date funded the Treasury with £300 billion, which has pushed Scotland up from 7th place in World Wealth rankings, had it been in control of its own resources, to 3rd place.

On 29 May 2008, Labour Chancellor Alistair Darling admitted in a back-handed way, that Scotland's oil revenue had been underwriting the UK's failure to balance its books for decades. There is still 30 years of oil supply left in the North Sea (some 150 million barrels) valued at 2008 prices at 1 trillion dollars. This excludes the new fields being brought into production in deeper waters west of Shetland.

Meantime whisky exports, which I listed in 1968 as one of Scotland's top assets, have risen at a phenomenal rate. For example, whisky exports to China amounted to £1 million in 2000/2001, by 2007 they had risen to £70 million. They have continued to rise, although I don't have more recent statistics.

On the economies of Independence, Scotland has also 18 times its requirements in North Sea gas, which on current trading is more expensive than oil. The country exports 24% of its surplus electricity south of the Border, with much of the back-up by Hydro Electric unused.

Even if nuclear is excluded, the future looks bright, the new Glen Doe hydro station on Loch Ness which was opened by Scotland's First Minister last year can produce enough electricity for 240,000 homes. Further projects down the Loch which have now reached the planning stage will increase this to over 1,000,000 homes. Wind and wave energy will also contribute significantly in the future.

No doubt as the time draws nearer to the referendum on Scottish Independence, politicians will do their best to distort the figures, but the truth is something that never varies.


Before retiring, John Jappy was a senior civil servant in the Inland Revenue, working for the Accountant & Comptroller General's Branch based at Somerset House in London. His duties involved liaising closely with Treasury officials to prepare accounts and financial information for UK government ministers.
http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.ph ... ally-sound



What a load of guff......... #-o

Now the Salmondites are having to fall back on the Views of some retired London (England) Civil servant in the vague hope of dragging up something that may remotely help them put across their lost cause..the desperation of it is laughable :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Now the Salmondites are having to fall back on the Views of some retired London (England) Civil servant in the vague hope of dragging up something that may remotely help them put across their lost cause..the desperation of it is laughable :lol: :lol: :lol:


The only desperation is coming from you.
Maybe you can get westminster to shift the border a mile up the road, so your Jerusalem can continue to be in England's green and pleasant land :wink:

Never mind, David Cameron is coming here next week to save us all from ourselves :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Private Reggie wrote:
A Few points to note: The Scottish parliament passed its budget today :wink: £30 billion pound yearly budget. Do you really believe that Scotland through Oil, Renewable energy, Whisky and a lower rate of Corporation tax couldn't raise at least double that per year?

We're being shafted by westminster big Time :wink:

Im Pro Norway route and anti Europe but here is a point you may want to chew on :wink:

It Is Great Britain as we know it that is signed up to the EU, if Scotland goes independent doesnt that change the constitutional make up that is Great Britain to something like, The United Kingdom of England Wales and Northern Ireland, UKEWNI, There for wouldn't UKEWNI need to rejoin the EU as a different entity to its current status as Great Britain :?:

:D :D :D FREEDOM :D :D :D

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Private Reggie wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
A Few points to note: The Scottish parliament passed its budget today :wink: £30 billion pound yearly budget. Do you really believe that Scotland through Oil, Renewable energy, Whisky and a lower rate of Corporation tax couldn't raise at least double that per year?

We're being shafted by westminster big Time :wink:

Im Pro Norway route and anti Europe but here is a point you may want to chew on :wink:

It Is Great Britain as we know it that is signed up to the EU, if Scotland goes independent doesnt that change the constitutional make up that is Great Britain to something like, The United Kingdom of England Wales and Northern Ireland, UKEWNI, There for wouldn't UKEWNI need to rejoin the EU as a different entity to its current status as Great Britain :?:

:D :D :D FREEDOM :D :D :D

Any taker onners :roll:

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