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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:00 pm 
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Gateshead Angel wrote:
I hope Sussex gets a plate, cause he won't last a week. Taxidrivers don't like people who [edited by admin] up their backs, and Sussex is the sort of bloke who will think he's being clever when he starts discounting off the rank. He can't hide behind his computer under an assumed name then, I know what happened to a bloke up here who tried it, not nice at all.



So a price-fixing cartel in Gateshead as well then?

By the way, I should remind you about TDO's view on fare discounting from last year:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/faresfair.htm

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So when should we expect this 'massive amounts' of evidence then, this year, or next, or never?

We'll have to delete this nonsense soon, but we just left it in the meantime just to underline the fact that you have no evidence.

Can you be more specific about when this so-called evidence will be appearing?

So hurry up, the suspense is killing me :D

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So first you say that the site doesn't do something then you say it does.

Then they claim that when they send information out they do so using the name of the site HOWEVER they claim that they do not send out information on behalf of the members of this site.

So who exactly is the site claiming to be representing, or moreso where are they claiming they obtained the information contained within these documents they are sending out.



If you haven't worked it out yet, then there's no point trying to explain it to you, since I've tried often enough.

As I said, if you think that readers think that anything we send out represents people called things like Gateshead Angel, Mr T, Jimbo, deecee and fairway, then this just confirms your Fantasy Island way of thinking.

And as I said (again), if you're deluded to that extent, why continue posting?

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
So first you say that the site doesn't do something then you say it does.


Unfortunatly the REALITY is quite different to ANYTHING written.

B. Lucky :twisted:


So, instead or flogging a dead horse Mick, why don't YOU actually write it how you believe it is? Then we can formulate our own opinions.

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He can't hide behind his computer under an assumed name then


Unlike some we could mention, eh Mr Gateshead Angel :lol:

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Captain Cab was right to be cynical of Myth and Reality, not because it was wrong but because it added little reality and offered only more myths. I say that because it is as equally bias as documents writted in support of quotas.



So M&R wasn't wrong but offered more myths :?

By the way Angel, did you read the briefing document for todays South Beds committee meeting, where following a survey by Kiewlder Newport West, the following conclusions were reached:

7.0 FACTS OF THE CASE

7.1 As a result of this survey, Michael John, Managing Director of KNW
Concludes that:

7.1.1 Only 32% of hackney carriages are hired in a traditional manner i.e.
hired from the rank or flag down.

7.1.2 The remaining 68% of hackney carriages are used as private hire
vehicles i.e. via a telephone call relayed from an operator.

7.1.3 Consequently, there is a clear-cut patent demand on the underutilised ranks and additional evidence of latent unmet demand met
by a private hire type of service.

7.1.4 The intentional ‘blurring of the edges’ between private hire and
hackney carriages by the existing service makes it impossible for
anyone to seriously contest de-restriction of licences.

7.2 KNW recommends that ‘it is impossible for South Bedfordshire District
Council to continue number restrictions in the light of the OFT Report and
subsequent government guidelines.


Some of that sounds like the kind of stuff in M&R, so it's good to see that the surveyors are finally coming round to a similar view.

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7.1.2 The remaining 68% of hackney carriages are used as private hire
vehicles i.e. via a telephone call relayed from an operator.

7.1.3 Consequently, there is a clear-cut patent demand on the underutilised ranks and additional evidence of latent unmet demand met
by a private hire type of service.

7.1.4 The intentional ‘blurring of the edges’ between private hire and
hackney carriages by the existing service makes it impossible for
anyone to seriously contest de-restriction of licences.

7.2 KNW recommends that ‘it is impossible for South Bedfordshire District
Council to continue number restrictions in the light of the OFT Report and
subsequent government guidelines.

Makes a southern softy smile, quotes like that. :D

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I am not really the complaining type, but if I were to complain about anything, it would be about hypochrasy (however you spell it), and the plethora of totally worthless beaurocracy and new legislation we are bombarded with on an almost daily basis.

H&S, Employment regs, vehicle regs, changes in this, changes in that, Councils and government bodies who can just pee money up the wall for no appreciable gain, employing consultants who cost a fortune to tell us what we already know, and so on, and so on, and so on....

Frankly, delimitation is about the smallest of our worries. The current situation is a nonsense, hardly any of the public care a sh*t whether we area Taxi or PH, its right we do more work off the phone than the rank, and havinga nationwide snese that any cab can be hailed in the street will just save us all a bit of dead mileage.

The OFT have reported. The Government have made it clear what they want (well sorta), so lets just get on with it, and stop trying to bang our heads against brick walls, pushing against the flow. At least if we are going to argue about something, then lets argue about something we can actually do something about. As, if we are going to argue at all as an industry, then we need to be arguing together and with one voice. So, lets pick a topic we can agree on !!!

There must be ONE !!??!!

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Captain Cab was right to be cynical of Myth and Reality, not because it was wrong but because it added little reality and offered only more myths. I say that because it is as equally bias as documents writted in support of quotas.



So M&R wasn't wrong but offered more myths :?

By the way Angel, did you read the briefing document for todays South Beds committee meeting, where following a survey by Kiewlder Newport West, the following conclusions were reached:

7.0 FACTS OF THE CASE

7.1 As a result of this survey, Michael John, Managing Director of KNW
Concludes that:

7.1.1 Only 32% of hackney carriages are hired in a traditional manner i.e.
hired from the rank or flag down.

7.1.2 The remaining 68% of hackney carriages are used as private hire
vehicles i.e. via a telephone call relayed from an operator.

7.1.3 Consequently, there is a clear-cut patent demand on the underutilised ranks and additional evidence of latent unmet demand met
by a private hire type of service.

7.1.4 The intentional ‘blurring of the edges’ between private hire and
hackney carriages by the existing service makes it impossible for
anyone to seriously contest de-restriction of licences.

7.2 KNW recommends that ‘it is impossible for South Bedfordshire District
Council to continue number restrictions in the light of the OFT Report and
subsequent government guidelines.


Some of that sounds like the kind of stuff in M&R, so it's good to see that the surveyors are finally coming round to a similar view.


F***IN hell they spent money on case for the F***IN taxi trade?? Anyone would think it was F***IN ENRON. Jesus get a F***IN life all of ya. Who gives a F*** what M&R said they've never driven a taxi all they are bothered about is the consultancy fee. The sooner the trade is rid of these [edited by admin] the better along with the OFT.


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F***IN hell they spent money on case for the F***IN taxi trade?? Anyone would think it was F***IN ENRON. Jesus get a F***IN life all of ya. Who gives a F*** what M&R said they've never driven a taxi all they are bothered about is the consultancy fee. The sooner the trade is rid of these [edited by admin] the better along with the OFT.

Exactly Nigel, this whole survey lark is a complete waste of money, as was well documentated in M&R. :D

Still the simple answer to all this is a clear as the lies from your mouth, just de-limit. No surveys, no consultancy fees, just free and open access to all.

Now where have I heard that before? :lol: :lol:

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Still the simple answer to all this is a clear as the lies from your mouth, just de-limit. No surveys, no consultancy fees, just free and open access to all.
As much as I'd like to saty I must dash to clear some of this unmet demand up. Have you heard anything from the Manchester boys yet suspect??


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As much as I'd like to saty I must dash to clear some of this unmet demand up. Have you heard anything from the Manchester boys yet suspect??

No, but they where in Milan last night. :shock:

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Nidge wrote:
As much as I'd like to saty I must dash to clear some of this unmet demand up. Have you heard anything from the Manchester boys yet suspect??

No, but they where in Milan last night. :shock:


Manchester Taxi drivers?? I heard they want to talk to you and Spencer.


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Manchester Taxi drivers?? I heard they want to talk to you and Spencer.

Keep digging Nigel, keep digging. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:11 am 
So if 68% of HC driver for PH operators, most likely cause they can't earn the money they need from the ranks "in a tradional manner", then your answer is to lift the restrictions on HC licenses.

This is what I don't understand, why not just say that HC CANNOT work through PH operators and MUST make themselves available for "traditional hirings".

I don't know?

The T&G claimed the OFT drew up a wreckers charter, M&R will, if it agree's with this, is promoting far more damage.

Lets do whats best for the few drivers who dream of a HC plate, and if thats to the detriment of everyone involved in the trade then so be it.

The real taxidrivers will come back out the woodwork when it all goes pear shaped, and the greedy t***s have got their "proper jobs" back, to put the trade back together again.

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