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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:53 pm 
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The Positive Case for the Union

From Auld Aquaintance March 1, 2012

This weeks positive case for the Union can be expressed as follows;
MacAskill BAD, Salmond BAD, SNP BAD, Independence BAD.
In fact on any given week, whether it be Labour, Tory or Lib Dem; Salmond is a BAD MAD Dictator, SNP are collectively a Bad lot, Independence is incredibly BAD, and the Union and those who support all who sail in her are GOOD.

The BBC are impartial Media Saints, The MSM (bar News Corp who are universal scoundrels), would never get up to any of News Corps tricks Ever,are wonderfully Good.

The only possible conclusion anyone can reasonably draw is, Union Good, and Separatism BAD….Repeat endlessly and to hell with anything that might be fact, unless it is Good for the Union and BAD for Independence.

Absolutely anyone who happens to disagree with the above are BAD, and those who disagree on the internet are all BAD abusive CyberNats, and are horrible people, the Badest of BAD

If you do not agree with all that…..YOU BAD!


http://scottishindependence2014.co.uk/i ... -the-union

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:31 am 
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Gusmac, I hate to say it, but this is little more than a childish spat.

Do you honestly believe that claiming everyone is saying bad things about the Nasties is gonna drive people to vote for pretendy pseudo independence?

You gotta do better than this.

Reality is, folks are gonna look at the security of the pound in their pocket first and foremost. Like who's setting interest rates, money supply, economic control - The London they know, or the Brussels they don't. In these uncertain economis times, that no one predicts will be any better by the time of the vote, who's gonna want to take the huge risk? Who's gonna vote for uncertainty?

Then they're gonna look at people they know in the rest of the UK and ask if they want to live under a separate jurisdiction to them? Parents, siblings, children, friends? Border controls between them and us?

Then they're gonna look at what the break would mean. Simple things like booze runs to Carlisle and Berwick because the Scottish Nasties, in their drive to price alcohol out of use, means that England supermarkets will be selling it cheaper.

Ditto fags, because the Nastie's health kick will increase the price out of our range in their drive to nanny us.

Ditto fuel, well they will claim their price hike is green.

Ditto Pies, Butter, Chocolate - all potential health risks, all ripe for a price hike.

So those who can afford it will be crossing the border to stock up on as much contraband as their Trabants can hold.

But wait, I see it now, the Nasties will tell us that we'll be living on the cheap side of the border :badgrin: They'll probably expect us to believe them too :badgrin: :badgrin:

But there won't be any need to have border controls? =D>

This is the best yet. Contriband, illegal immigration and the mentailty of isolation will require border controls. That's the way the UK works. All in place in the event that the new natural right wing majority in England, because they are no longer balanced by the missing 50 plus left leaning Scottish MPs, decides to pull the rest of the UK out of Europe.

You'd be as well digging a canal from the Tweed to the Solway and physically separating the two nations. Cos we would effectively be cast adrift.

So crack on Gusmac. Keep up the petted lip defence of your ridiculous policy, cos its got to be the worst case of negative campaigning ever.

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And you have proof of all this, naturally?
You wouldn't just be making it all up [-X

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:01 am 
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You clearly miss the point of this article, which I reposted from elsewhere.
There is no positive case being made for the union - by anyone.
Just scare stories with no foundation - just like yours.

And you say I'm negative :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:27 pm 
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I'm sure our readers, and Scots as a whole, will be able to differentiate.

What supports my premise is we already know the Nasties desire to nanny us.

Now read my post above again and tell me where any of it is wrong.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:52 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
Now read my post above again and tell me where any of it is wrong.

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Start to finish. 8)

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I love your assertion that we should keep the union to save the English from their tory selves : lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:47 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
I love your assertion that we should keep the union to save the English from their tory selves : lol:


I know it's difficult for you to understand, because the blinkered separationists haven't allowed the debate to mature.

But there is a basic natural law which states that any action has a reaction. You seem to be under some illusion that the circumstances at the time of any split would prevail.

What the post points out is what can happen after the split.

But the Nasties haven't told us anything of what post split would be like.

The can't tell us about currency, borders, prices, investment, immigration or anything else.

They're just hoping we all tug our heartstrings about being fiercely independent Scots and vote to separate from the rest of the UK.

Problem for you Nasties though is that most Scots don't give a torss about being Scottish. They're just trying to live their own gig, in poor economic times and are fixed on the struggle, they will fear any change that could make their situ worse unless there are cast iron guarantees.

There are no cast iron guarantees. because there are NO meaningful benefits from faux independence for any of us. And you Nasties haven't told us of any benefits either.

But, here's your chance Gusmac. Be positive. Tell us what faux independence will do for us?

BTW I'm not holding my breath. If Salmond hasn't told you, what chance is there of you being able to tell us?

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Jasbar wrote:

The can't tell us about currency, borders, prices, investment, immigration or anything else.



Perhaps you should lend them your crystal ball :idea:
Or your copy of the Daily Mail :lol:

Still no positive case for the Union then?

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Let me help you out then.

THE FUTURE OF SCOTLAND

If Scotland gains its independence after the forthcoming referendum, the remainder of the United Kingdom will be known as the Former United Kingdom (F.U.K.).

In a bid to discourage the Scots from voting 'Yes' in the referendum, Unionists have now begun a campaign with the slogan:

Please Vote No For FUK's Sake!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:35 pm 
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Simple things like booze runs to Carlisle and Berwick because the Scottish Nasties, in their drive to price alcohol out of use, means that England supermarkets will be selling it cheaper.

Ditto fags, because the Nastie's health kick will increase the price out of our range in their drive to nanny us.

Ditto fuel, well they will claim their price hike is green.

Ditto Pies, Butter, Chocolate - all potential health risks, all ripe for a price hike.

So those who can afford it will be crossing the border to stock up on as much contraband as their Trabants can hold.

But wait, I see it now, the Nasties will tell us that we'll be living on the cheap side of the border :badgrin: They'll probably expect us to believe them too :badgrin: :badgrin:

But there won't be any need to have border controls? =D>

This is the best yet. Contriband, illegal immigration and the mentailty of isolation will require border controls. That's the way the UK works. All in place in the event that the new natural right wing majority in England, because they are no longer balanced by the missing 50 plus left leaning Scottish MPs, decides to pull the rest of the UK out of Europe.

You'd be as well digging a canal from the Tweed to the Solway and physically separating the two nations. Cos we would effectively be cast adrift.


What next Jim?

Totalitarian state? Concrete wall? Razor wire? Land mines? Trip guns? Internment camps? Genocide?
What other crap is your imagination going to come up with?

End of Days perhaps?

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John Swinney said and i qoute: Without independence Holyrood faces years of Cuts from Westminster.

A no vote will change nothing for the better, things will only get worse, a YES vote will change everything, a fresh start in my book and there is no better time to do it than NOW.

Jasbar you are all Presumptions, your views have no Substance its all scaremongering, cheap political tactics in my book, i do think you are not even looking at the real debate, your views are all made up in your head

VOTE YES :D

Just remember how after the vote in 1979 the Tories made Scotland pay and boy did we pay :evil:

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Private Reggie wrote:
John Swinney said and i qoute: Without independence Holyrood faces years of Cuts from Westminster.

A no vote will change nothing for the better, things will only get worse, a YES vote will change everything, a fresh start in my book and there is no better time to do it than NOW.

Jasbar you are all Presumptions, your views have no Substance its all scaremongering, cheap political tactics in my book, i do think you are not even looking at the real debate, your views are all made up in your head

VOTE YES :D

Just remember how after the vote in 1979 the Tories made Scotland pay and boy did we pay :evil:


Here is the proof :wink:

http://edition.presstv.ir/iphone/

Click Menu,click sections then click Britain.

Westminster cuts until 2017 :roll: And it will take until 2028 to return to 2009 spending levels.
The fear of the unknown is independence for many a doubter but its the fear of the known tht scares the face of me :wink:

In an independent Scotland i TRUST :D

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Labour's brass neck over steel contracts
Sun, 04/03/2012 - 15:12

Attacks by Labour over contracts for the new Forth bridge have boomeranged after it emerged that the procurement regulations used to award them were actually implemented under the former Labour/LibDem Scottish Executive.

Highlighting EU procurement law, introduced in 2006, which forbids the Scottish Government from discriminating in favour of Scottish companies, SNP MSP for Edinburgh Western Colin Keir pointed out the absurdity of Labour's attacks given that no Scottish bids had even been received for the contracts.

Mr Keir also reminded Labour that the SNP had introduced Community Benefit Clauses to ensure training opportunities and, in addition, that the Forth Crossing is the first project to insist all subcontracts are advertised on Public Contracts Scotland - ensuring Scottish suppliers have access to every opportunity.

Labour's hypocritical attacks on the Forth crossing contracts come a week after the MoD announced that contracts for the next generation of Royal Navy support tankers have been awarded to firms in South Korea, instead of Scottish shipyards, under a tendering process started under the last Labour government and that Labour-led Strathclyde Passenger Transport awarded contracts for the regeneration of Glasgow subway to a Czech firm.

Mr Keir, who this week revealed that nearly 400 people are already employed directly on the site of the new crossing including many of his own constituents said:

"This is an embarrassing boomerang attack by Labour who seem to have forgotten that they actually introduced the procurement rules under which these contracts were awarded.

"EU procurement law, introduced in 2006, clearly forbid the governmentfrom discriminating in favour of Scottish firms. If any governmentin the EU did what Labour wants they would find themselves in court facing huge fines. That point aside, the fact is that no Scottish firms even submitted tenders for the steel fabrication subcontracts.

"Labour have a very short memory when it comes to their own record - just last week the MoD announced that the contracts for the next generation of Royal Navy support tankers have been awarded, under a tendering process started by Labour, to firms in South Korea, instead of Scottish shipyards. If Labour want to be taken seriously they need to start being honest with people.

"The FRC is the biggest transport infrastructure project in Scotland for a generation and is being built on time and on budget. The main Forth Replacement Crossing contractors have confirmed the project is currently directly employing 384 people on site, and at its peak the project will directly support 1,200 jobs. These figures don't take into account the significant number of people who will be working for the 222 Scottish firms - and that figure is expected to grow significantly over the coming years- currently working in the subcontracting and supply chain for the project.

"As of 15 February, the three main contractors appointed to deliver the project have advised Transport Scotland that around £23 million of subcontracts have already been awarded to Scottish companies and around £13 million of supply orders. We are currently 10 months into a 6-year construction period and there are many more subcontract and supply order opportunities to come - but already 222 Scottish firms have risen to the challenge of working on this iconic project, and 870 out of 1,041 supply orders awarded on the Principal Contract have gone to Scottish companies: 84 per cent of the total.

"We are only 9 months into a 6 year construction period and there are many more subcontracts from the Principal Contract to come.

"The SNP Government is committed to ensuring Scottish firms continue to benefit from the FRC. But it is utterly ridiculous that Labour - who hail themselves as the party for workers - are advocating a plan that would see hundreds of jobs lost."

Note:

EU procurement law clearly requires that we cannot discriminate in favour of Scottish Companies - that is not new law, it was in place prior to devolution and the first time that there was a major revision of EU procurement law post-devolution was in 2006 when the previous administration implemented the Public Contracts (Scotland) Regulations. The FRC contract is fully compliant with those regulations.
http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/20 ... -contracts

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Private Reggie wrote:
John Swinney said and i qoute: Without independence Holyrood faces years of Cuts from Westminster.

A no vote will change nothing for the better, things will only get worse, a YES vote will change everything, a fresh start in my book and there is no better time to do it than NOW.

Jasbar you are all Presumptions, your views have no Substance its all scaremongering, cheap political tactics in my book, i do think you are not even looking at the real debate, your views are all made up in your head

VOTE YES :D

Just remember how after the vote in 1979 the Tories made Scotland pay and boy did we pay :evil:


Grow up dougie ffs.

You saying that in the midst of the world's deepest global recession in living history, and probably even beyond that, faux-independence is going to deliver us from cuts?

You're a fecking lunatic sure enough.

If that's the best you can come up with, butt out.

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