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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:01 am 
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I couldnt download the case, its therefore difficuly to comment

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
The real taxidrivers will come back out the woodwork when it all goes pear shaped, and the greedy t***s have got their "proper jobs" back, to put the trade back together again.



Well maybe if you stuck to your 'proper job' (ie fast tan salesman) rather than using the trade on a part-time basis when it suits you then the lads in Gateshead actually trying to make a living from the trade would do a bit better.

Why don't you leave the trade to the real taxi drivers instead of people like yourself?

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So if 68% of HC driver for PH operators, most likely cause they can't earn the money they need from the ranks "in a tradional manner", then your answer is to lift the restrictions on HC licenses.

This is what I don't understand, why not just say that HC CANNOT work through PH operators and MUST make themselves available for "traditional hirings".

I don't know?

The T&G claimed the OFT drew up a wreckers charter, M&R will, if it agree's with this, is promoting far more damage.

Lets do whats best for the few drivers who dream of a HC plate, and if thats to the detriment of everyone involved in the trade then so be it.

The real taxidrivers will come back out the woodwork when it all goes pear shaped, and the greedy t***s have got their "proper jobs" back, to put the trade back together again.

B. Lucky :twisted:


So I assume that because you are addressing these matters and are completely silent on your false claims further up the thread, then you've concluded that your so-called 'massive amounts of evidence' in fact amounts to absolutely nothing?

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So if 68% of HC driver for PH operators, most likely cause they can't earn the money they need from the ranks "in a tradional manner", then your answer is to lift the restrictions on HC licenses.

The point is, why on earth restrict cabs when they are working as PH which aren't restricted?

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I've lost bloody count of what day it is now !! :lol: :lol:

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Nidge wrote:
F***IN hell they spent money on case for the F***IN taxi trade?? Anyone would think it was F***IN ENRON. Jesus get a F***IN life all of ya. Who gives a F*** what M&R said they've never driven a taxi all they are bothered about is the consultancy fee. The sooner the trade is rid of these [edited by admin] the better along with the OFT.


I'm not quite sure what you're on about Nidge.

It's one of the consultant's reports on unmet demand. You've never really complained about them before, was that because this time they seem to be coming up with the 'wrong' answer?

When Brighton endorsed the Halcrow report, why didn't you say then that they were only bothered about the consultancy fee?

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
This site is in place to front an attempt by a "specialist" taxi solicitor to convince every council that he can give them advice, at a cost, that will increase their revenue and get them out of trouble with the DfT, even though they aren't in any trouble in the first place.


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I believe that the claims made within this website are defamatory, some of the claims made within M&R are equally questionable.


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If you don't believe me then take the matter further, this site is influenced by a solicitor who claims to be a specialist in TAXI matters, Nidge uncovered this parasite and was promptly banned.


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I'll tell you what this person has done Sussex, he has seen how much consultancy work is undertaken by a person with more trade knowledge but less qualifications and guessed how much he could make from that.
Then you add into the equation the "forming a policy which will withstand legal challenge" argument.

You see Sussex this bloke is telling councils that he will assist them in forming policies which will stop the need for court cases, claiming that his costs are lower than if the council had to defend either policy in court.


So you've been asked for specific evidence to support these claims:

NO ANSWER

You've been asked to outline in general terms the nature of your evidence:

NO ANSWER

You've been asked when any such evidence will be forthcoming:

NO ANSWER

So despite claiming to have 'massive amounts of evidence' to support these allegations, the failure to provide this or even say when it will forthcoming strongly suggests that you've concluded that your evidence in fact amounts to absolutely nothing.

THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!

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So despite claiming to have 'massive amounts of evidence' to support these allegations, the failure to provide this or even say when it will forthcoming strongly suggests that you've concluded that your evidence in fact amounts to absolutely nothing.

THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING!!


You may think the silence is deafening Dusty, but neither my PM or my email inbox contains information as to where evidence should be forwarded.

I would also like to take this opportunity to state that some evidence has been provided, the banning of Nidge and MRT, the unfounded allegations that "someone" is writing something that another posts, are all contributing factors that this site and very possibly you in particular have something to hide.

I will clarify for anyone interested that I have agreed to send the information I'm fully aware of, to the administrators of this site, they have to date failed to supply it.

I would also say that allegations have been made on here, along with evidence relative to the membership of this site, I do not wish to dictate which side of the argument they should believe, if either, as I would much rather they made up their own minds.

So I reiterate, an allegation was made that a person had contacted local authorities using the name Taxi Driver Online, this person had claimed that information and opinion had been gathered from the membership of the site, all working taxidrivers, and the administrators had written a "paper" based on that information under the heading "Myth and Reality". Alongside this "paper" a list had been produced showing plate values in all restricted councils throughout the UK.
Along with this list and the Myth and Reality document, councils were also sent "mis-quoted" passages from both the OFT investigation and the DfT review.

Initially I had concerns that M&R would be used to express the views of the membership of this site, but at that time membership to the site was "open", and I knew from previous experience that councils questioned the credibility of such sites as they had no form of record on which to base their credentials. Then all of a sudden, about 9 months after the release of the M&R document the site decided to insist that in order to contribute registration was required and further "papers" were circulated.

At that time people who had shared my concerns started to notice other things, some from within their own area other from what they had been told. Some of these people decided to collate the varied information with the same name being mentioned time and time again.
This name was then published on this site, the post was deleted and the poster banned, subsequent posts mentioning the same name are still being automatically altered, with the question as to why remaining unanswered.

This evidence alone should be sufficiant at least to question the real intentions of the administration of this site, again I'm asking NO-ONE to believe me, all I ask is that you ask the questions.

The administrators of this site have admitted to contating councils, offering the M&R document and subsequently published lists, they claim however that they have NOT claimed to have published "on our behalf" but at best they imply that it was all compiled by us, even if the final document was written by them.

Who exactly are these people, does it matter that they are possibly using your details to promote what they believe is the way forward without your permission or knowledge, even if you disagree.

A number of prominant posters have reduced their contribution since this issue was raised, to the point that they still visit and read but do not actually post at all.

The admin want the evidence, they claim that it hasn't been offered but as I've said the evidence is contained within the pages of this website, if anyone cares to look.

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You may think the silence is deafening Dusty, but neither my PM or my email inbox contains information as to where evidence should be forwarded.

I should give the pages of this forum a go. :shock:

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would a PO box suffice?

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
I would also like to take this opportunity to state that some evidence has been provided, the banning of Nidge and MRT, the unfounded allegations that "someone" is writing something that another posts, are all contributing factors that this site and very possibly you in particular have something to hide.

That is evidence of nothing. Nigel was sin binned because he acted like a grass, people deserve to keep their anonimity if they wish. It is not for you or Nigel to out anyone.

The fact that Nigel, and it would seem you, put two and two together and got millions, isn't evidence that people have anything to hide, it's evidence that you can't count.

And as for Mr T, he wasn't banned, sin-bined or whatever. As was asked at the time, why would Mr T have been banned?

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
So I reiterate, an allegation was made that a person had contacted local authorities using the name Taxi Driver Online, this person had claimed that information and opinion had been gathered from the membership of the site, all working taxidrivers, and the administrators had written a "paper" based on that information under the heading "Myth and Reality". Alongside this "paper" a list had been produced showing plate values in all restricted councils throughout the UK.
Along with this list and the Myth and Reality document, councils were also sent "mis-quoted" passages from both the OFT investigation and the DfT review.

No, the allegation was that a solicitor from Manchester, who Nigel was due to meet today, was offering his services to councils on the back of info gained from TDO. According to some, this solicitor was the owner of the site.

When it was pointed out that it would be in the best interests of all the legal trade to keep quotas, as opposed to de-limitation, no answer was forth-coming from you or Nigel.

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Mr T is actually growing on me :shock: (not literally)

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
At that time people who had shared my concerns started to notice other things, some from within their own area other from what they had been told. Some of these people decided to collate the varied information with the same name being mentioned time and time again.
This name was then published on this site, the post was deleted and the poster banned, subsequent posts mentioning the same name are still being automatically altered, with the question as to why remaining unanswered.

Again this is evidence of your paranoia, just because you can't work something out doesn't mean that it's a massive conspiracy.

If you had given your assumed mass of evidence two weeks ago, then all of this could have been put to bed then and there.

But you thought that you have a big coup, but sadly both you and Nigel have been made to look fools. And to be honest I didn't expect that of you.

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Gateshead Angel wrote:
This evidence alone should be sufficiant at least to question the real intentions of the administration of this site, again I'm asking NO-ONE to believe me, all I ask is that you ask the questions.

No GA, you made accusations, and you should withdraw then.

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