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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:58 pm 
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I havent heard a case to leave the union yet.

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Who cares what you've heard?
You don't get a say in it, unless you're planning to move farther north.

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And why shouldn't he have a say. It's all our union that the faux-independence supporters want to leave. Why shouldn't we all have a say in it.

It's his armed forces that we intend to destroy. It's his nation, as well as ours that will be diminished in the global world. It's families like his that has the blood of Scots running through its lineage.

But we Scots are know for being parochial aren't we.

What is it they say? Scots are well balanced, they have chips on both shoulders.

I fear if the Union breaks up. In fact, had I the choice I would abolish Holyrood now, yesterday if I could.

And here's just one example of why?

Alcohol minimum pricing. Watching Sunday Politics today I was incensed by the numptie SNP clone trying top explain how alcohol minimum pricing would affect the poor in our nation, how its not a tax on them.

Listen to these guys, because this is precisely the kind of fascist nannying Scots can look forward to under faux-independence. And don't come back later and say we weren't warned.

Alcohol minimum pricing is an attempt to keep the lower orders under control. Nothing more nothing less. It will do nothing to curb to reduce binge drinking.

The price of alcohol in pubs and clubs is already above the limit so alcohol there will not be affected.

Supermarkets will increase their price and that will affect the poorer orders, true, but the increase in price will go to the supermarkets, not the exchequer (that's us) which an increase in duty would achieve.


So the nasties policy will affect only the common man.

Why are they doing it? Of course the pull out the red herring of health. Well apart from the fact that no one asked them to, at least not those who will bear the brunt of this new tax, it is unclear. There has to be another reason.

I'll state categorically the reason is protectionism. This is a direct attempt by Salmond to protect the pub trade by reducing the differential between alcohol sold in supermarkets and the on-trade in pubs. We already know that salmond has scant regard for hard to control free market principles. Control freaks don't like anything they can't control directly for their own benefit.

It's better to pay the supermarkets off with more profit for taking the volume hit that minimum pricing may bring.

And they're doing this at our expense.

All the Nasties have yet to decide is how big that payoff is going to be. best get the mechanism in oplace first, eh?

I fear for our nation with such thinking. It worries me that Scots are sleepwalking into an avoidable political disaster.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:42 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:31 am 
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Who says the nats don't snoop :D

http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-eveni ... -1-2165277

Bet there is a charge and another backdoor tax.

Jumble sales,summer fairs and even the cabbies outings for kids if the let joe public attend.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:42 pm 
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oneeye wrote:
Who says the nats don't snoop :D

http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-eveni ... -1-2165277

Bet there is a charge and another backdoor tax.

Jumble sales,summer fairs and even the cabbies outings for kids if the let joe public attend.



Aye..The Nationalists are playing it nicey nicey at the moment, not unlike another political movement which had "National" in their title...they came to power in Germany in 1934 and guess what! they suddenly changed into the most oppressive party in Germanys History.

Why should we Expect anything less from our Local Nasty Party Gauleiters???


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:27 am 
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bloodnock wrote:
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Who says the nats don't snoop :D

http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-eveni ... -1-2165277

Bet there is a charge and another backdoor tax.

Jumble sales,summer fairs and even the cabbies outings for kids if the let joe public attend.



Aye..The Nationalists are playing it nicey nicey at the moment, not unlike another political movement which had "National" in their title...they came to power in Germany in 1934 and guess what! they suddenly changed into the most oppressive party in Germanys History.

Why should we Expect anything less from our Local Nasty Party Gauleiters???


Imagine suggesting that respectable nasties would ever descend in the control freakery of the nazis ... dearie me. Why, :lol: I'd never stoop so low


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:10 am 
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**** accusations from Scotland's last tories :lol:
Really funny when you consider who their allies are :oops:

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/sc ... ce-parties

Bloodnock, your historical accuracy leaves much to be desired, just like your political observations.
Hitler became chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
If you want to know any more about nazis, try asking your allies in the no camp.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:30 am 
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gusmac wrote:
**** accusations from Scotland's last tories :lol:
Really funny when you consider who their allies are :oops:

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/sc ... ce-parties

Bloodnock, your historical accuracy leaves much to be desired, just like your political observations.
Hitler became chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
If you want to know any more about nazis, try asking your allies in the no camp.



Im not wrong.....Hitler may have become chancellor in In 1933 but at that point the Nazis were not the Majority party in Government...it was In 1934 when Hitler founded a separate body for the chairman, Chancellery of the Führer, with its own sub-units, and thats when the **** party took over complete political power in Germany and with it German Democracy flew out the Window..

Also...do you really think for one second that in the unlikely event of an independant Scotland that its Political System will not Include a Conservative party? the Truth is that a nation Run by only one party is doomed to failure from the outset....and that aint gonna happen because there are more voters of Tory, Labour, Liberal and others parties combined that they out number the Nasty Party over all.

Im sorry for your inability to accept your delusions of becoming an Independant Scotland..but hey!!..none of us are perfect :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:31 am 
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bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
**** accusations from Scotland's last tories :lol:
Really funny when you consider who their allies are :oops:

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/sc ... ce-parties

Bloodnock, your historical accuracy leaves much to be desired, just like your political observations.
Hitler became chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
If you want to know any more about nazis, try asking your allies in the no camp.



Im not wrong.....Hitler may have become chancellor in In 1933 but at that point the Nazis were not the Majority party in Government...it was In 1934 when Hitler founded a separate body for the chairman, Chancellery of the Führer, with its own sub-units, and thats when the **** party took over complete political power in Germany and with it German Democracy flew out the Window..

Also...do you really think for one second that in the unlikely event of an independant Scotland that its Political System will not Include a Conservative party? the Truth is that a nation Run by only one party is doomed to failure from the outset....and that aint gonna happen because there are more voters of Tory, Labour, Liberal and others parties combined that they out number the Nasty Party over all.

Im sorry for your inability to accept your delusions of becoming an Independant Scotland..but hey!!..none of us are perfect :lol:


I bow to your superior knowledge of **** party history. No doubt gleaned from all those BNP/EDL/Mein Kampf readers you find yourself in agreement with.

As for delusional Bloodnock, take a look in the mirror.
There are supporters of independence everywhere, in all walks of life, in all the mainstream "unionist" parties and even more amongst their supporters.

For the Scottish Conservatives, independence will give then the chance to throw off the shackles of tory central in London and re-invent themselves.
They will probably move more to the centre ground of Scottish politics and flourish for it, casting off the curse of Thatcher in the process. They will get back much of the vote they have lost to the liberals and, to a lesser extent, the SNP.

For the remote controlled Scottish Labour party, a chance to actually be a socialist party, instead of the slightly pink shade of blue the UK party has foisted on them in order to be electable down south.
They too will gain support from their more traditional territory, at the expense of the SSP and the SNP.

The liberals/democrats/whatever we call ourselves today party are the one's with the biggest problem come independence.
The Tories are going to move into their comfort zone from the right, and from the left they will have what's left of the SNP along with a rejuvinated and more left wing labour party.

As for the SNP, they are currently too broad a church to survive much past independence, at least not as they are.
They will continue through the independence negotiations and the drafting of a Scottish constitution.
After that, their raison d'être has gone, and they too will have to evolve into more than a vehicle for independence.
This will break up the broad church and leave a rump with a similar agenda. Many of the SNP supporters will return to the political mainstream.

So, Bloodnock, no one party state, no jack-booted storm troopers coming in the night to sieze your haggis and irn-bru, no razor-wire and machine gun borders and no death camps.
You'll even be able to watch the BBC like the Irish, without paying the licence fee :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:34 am 
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bloodnock wrote:
oneeye wrote:
Who says the nats don't snoop :D

http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-eveni ... -1-2165277

Bet there is a charge and another backdoor tax.

Jumble sales,summer fairs and even the cabbies outings for kids if the let joe public attend.



Aye..The Nationalists are playing it nicey nicey at the moment, not unlike another political movement which had "National" in their title...they came to power in Germany in 1934 and guess what! they suddenly changed into the most oppressive party in Germanys History.

Why should we Expect anything less from our Local Nasty Party Gauleiters???

On another thread Jasbar said that some would think Bloodnock was actually him :shock: After reading this post me thinks Bloodnock could be him or Skull :shock:

Only these two could compare the SNP with the ****'s :shock:

I'd be shocked if there was a Third :shock:

How could you say/indicate that Scotland will become right wing and oppressive by nature, your totally NUTS :roll: Thank F-ck your bordering the minority Jasbar/Skull/Bloodnock :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:45 am 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
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**** accusations from Scotland's last tories :lol:
Really funny when you consider who their allies are :oops:

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/sc ... ce-parties

Bloodnock, your historical accuracy leaves much to be desired, just like your political observations.
Hitler became chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
If you want to know any more about nazis, try asking your allies in the no camp.



Im not wrong.....Hitler may have become chancellor in In 1933 but at that point the Nazis were not the Majority party in Government...it was In 1934 when Hitler founded a separate body for the chairman, Chancellery of the Führer, with its own sub-units, and thats when the **** party took over complete political power in Germany and with it German Democracy flew out the Window..

Also...do you really think for one second that in the unlikely event of an independant Scotland that its Political System will not Include a Conservative party? the Truth is that a nation Run by only one party is doomed to failure from the outset....and that aint gonna happen because there are more voters of Tory, Labour, Liberal and others parties combined that they out number the Nasty Party over all.

Im sorry for your inability to accept your delusions of becoming an Independant Scotland..but hey!!..none of us are perfect :lol:


I bow to your superior knowledge of **** party history. No doubt gleaned from all those BNP/EDL/Mein Kampf readers you find yourself in agreement with.

As for delusional Bloodnock, take a look in the mirror.
There are supporters of independence everywhere, in all walks of life, in all the mainstream "unionist" parties and even more amongst their supporters.

For the Scottish Conservatives, independence will give then the chance to throw off the shackles of tory central in London and re-invent themselves.
They will probably move more to the centre ground of Scottish politics and flourish for it, casting off the curse of Thatcher in the process. They will get back much of the vote they have lost to the liberals and, to a lesser extent, the SNP.

For the remote controlled Scottish Labour party, a chance to actually be a socialist party, instead of the slightly pink shade of blue the UK party has foisted on them in order to be electable down south.
They too will gain support from their more traditional territory, at the expense of the SSP and the SNP.

The liberals/democrats/whatever we call ourselves today party are the one's with the biggest problem come independence.
The Tories are going to move into their comfort zone from the right, and from the left they will have what's left of the SNP along with a rejuvinated and more left wing labour party.

As for the SNP, they are currently too broad a church to survive much past independence, at least not as they are.
They will continue through the independence negotiations and the drafting of a Scottish constitution.
After that, their raison d'être has gone, and they too will have to evolve into more than a vehicle for independence.
This will break up the broad church and leave a rump with a similar agenda. Many of the SNP supporters will return to the political mainstream.

So, Bloodnock, no one party state, no jack-booted storm troopers coming in the night to sieze your haggis and irn-bru, no razor-wire and machine gun borders and no death camps.
You'll even be able to watch the BBC like the Irish, without paying the licence fee :lol:

Bang on the money Gusmac, ive alway's considered myself slightly right of centre and would vote for some kind of Scottish Tories, i do however favour the American way of Republican/Democrat political system, the advantage being as is the SNP, a broad opinion within each.

On issue's my political opinion varies from left on some issues to Centre right on most other issues, example being i favour the Death Penalty but on another issue i favour Government control of our natural resources.

Politics will evolve post independence but one thing is for sure is that Scotland will be a more manageable country and a much fairer society for all to benefit.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:32 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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**** accusations from Scotland's last tories :lol:
Really funny when you consider who their allies are :oops:

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/sc ... ce-parties

Bloodnock, your historical accuracy leaves much to be desired, just like your political observations.
Hitler became chancellor of Germany in January 1933.
If you want to know any more about nazis, try asking your allies in the no camp.



Im not wrong.....Hitler may have become chancellor in In 1933 but at that point the Nazis were not the Majority party in Government...it was In 1934 when Hitler founded a separate body for the chairman, Chancellery of the Führer, with its own sub-units, and thats when the **** party took over complete political power in Germany and with it German Democracy flew out the Window..

Also...do you really think for one second that in the unlikely event of an independant Scotland that its Political System will not Include a Conservative party? the Truth is that a nation Run by only one party is doomed to failure from the outset....and that aint gonna happen because there are more voters of Tory, Labour, Liberal and others parties combined that they out number the Nasty Party over all.

Im sorry for your inability to accept your delusions of becoming an Independant Scotland..but hey!!..none of us are perfect :lol:


I bow to your superior knowledge of **** party history. No doubt gleaned from all those BNP/EDL/Mein Kampf readers you find yourself in agreement with.

As for delusional Bloodnock, take a look in the mirror.
There are supporters of independence everywhere, in all walks of life, in all the mainstream "unionist" parties and even more amongst their supporters.

For the Scottish Conservatives, independence will give then the chance to throw off the shackles of tory central in London and re-invent themselves.
They will probably move more to the centre ground of Scottish politics and flourish for it, casting off the curse of Thatcher in the process. They will get back much of the vote they have lost to the liberals and, to a lesser extent, the SNP.

For the remote controlled Scottish Labour party, a chance to actually be a socialist party, instead of the slightly pink shade of blue the UK party has foisted on them in order to be electable down south.
They too will gain support from their more traditional territory, at the expense of the SSP and the SNP.

The liberals/democrats/whatever we call ourselves today party are the one's with the biggest problem come independence.
The Tories are going to move into their comfort zone from the right, and from the left they will have what's left of the SNP along with a rejuvinated and more left wing labour party.

As for the SNP, they are currently too broad a church to survive much past independence, at least not as they are.
They will continue through the independence negotiations and the drafting of a Scottish constitution.
After that, their raison d'être has gone, and they too will have to evolve into more than a vehicle for independence.
This will break up the broad church and leave a rump with a similar agenda. Many of the SNP supporters will return to the political mainstream.

So, Bloodnock, no one party state, no jack-booted storm troopers coming in the night to sieze your haggis and irn-bru, no razor-wire and machine gun borders and no death camps.
You'll even be able to watch the BBC like the Irish, without paying the licence fee :lol:


Not around here mate...the Majority of folk I speak to Disagree with the whole Idea of Indy....I think the Pro Indys are just trying to Gee themselves up by perpetuating their own delusions, Its a pity really, because the Shock of defeat is gonna hit them hard, poor wee mites. :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:06 pm 
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Well, there's a lot more to Scotland than your wee patch.
BTW, what do you think of your right wing supporters?
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Well, there's a lot more to Scotland than your wee patch.
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An odd bunch the Pro Indys...if your not one of them you must be a Right Wing nutcase... ](*,)

No point in discussing or debating an alternative view with the SNP types...they just slag folk off for not being as small minded enough to fall into their isolanist fold. Are these these kind of people that the free press describe as Cybernats... #-o

Keep it up My Indy friends...your going to do much more good for the Union than you'll ever do for Independance, Instead of Wooing us to your cause you'll end up Scunnering the good folk of Scotland and make them vote against it..


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Well, there's a lot more to Scotland than your wee patch.
BTW, what do you think of your right wing supporters?
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Im Guessing those Guys photographed are somewhere in England..Scots police dont wear Policemens Helmets...only Caps.


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The irony is clearly lost on you.
It's the unionists who accuse us of being Nazis,
demonstrating your lack of any credible argument for your precious union.
The reality is that the real Nazis in the UK are for the union.
That's a matter of fact, which you seem to be in denial of. :shock:

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