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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:13 am 
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Don't imagine there isn't a price to pay for voting NO.
The Tories are just gagging to slash our pocket money, and a NO vote will give them the green light to do it.

I just hope you remember this is when NHS Scotland is privatised.
The roads you drive on are owned by foreign investors and you are paying an arm and a leg to drive on them.
Your kids /grand kids are unable to afford a university education.
No more free prescriptions or eye tests.
You have to sell your house to pay for your old age (not too far away in your case :lol: )
All those social work and education contracts you do have been cancelled due to budget cuts.

This is the future for Scotland within the onion.
Like most onions, it's enough to make your eyes water.
This is what you will be voting for. Much of this has already happened south of the border, the rest will follow soon.

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gusmac: I don't know where you think all the money is going to come from. At the moment we're spending well beyond our means as it is.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:56 am 
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wee eddie wrote:
gusmac: I don't know where you think all the money is going to come from. At the moment we're spending well beyond our means as it is.


The UK is spending beyond our means and theirs Eddie, and they have been for years.
If you check, I think you will find holyrood has a balanced budget.
http://news.stv.tv/politics/259355-scot ... w-figures/

Additionally, an independent Scotland won't be contributing to trident or it's obscenely expensive replacement.
We won't be funding illegal foreign wars, nor spending millions maintaining the last outposts of the UK's colonial past.
This is all money that can better be spent right here in Scotland.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:51 am 
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gusmac wrote:
wee eddie wrote:
gusmac: I don't know where you think all the money is going to come from. At the moment we're spending well beyond our means as it is.


The UK is spending beyond our means and theirs Eddie, and they have been for years.
If you check, I think you will find holyrood has a balanced budget.
http://news.stv.tv/politics/259355-scot ... w-figures/

Additionally, an independent Scotland won't be contributing to trident or it's obscenely expensive replacement.
We won't be funding illegal foreign wars, nor spending millions maintaining the last outposts of the UK's colonial past.
This is all money that can better be spent right here in Scotland.


What would the rest of the world think of a Country that walked out on its Partners in the Union after several hundred years and then leave them to pick up the Bill for all things we in part were complicit in...whether it be through the Empire or through our National Defence Stratagy.

The World would percieve us to be the type of people who leave their friends in the Sh*te just at time when they need us most. Can you Imagine that a Disgruntled State of the United States of America would leave the Union just because they had a chip on their Shoulder about their bigger neigbouring state!!!

That would never happen because of Two reasons, Those reasons are because they are fiercely loyal to other members of the union and also because they realise that their strength comes about through their united Size.

Only an Idiot would would want to leave a Strong Union of mutual benefit like ours..Just because they live in some sort of Historical timewarp and cant get over their Historical prejudices and who have a resentment of their nearest neighbours.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:56 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
[The UK is spending beyond our means and theirs Eddie, and they have been for years.
If you check, I think you will find holyrood has a balanced budget.
http://news.stv.tv/politics/259355-scot ... w-figures/


Doesn't the article say that both are in deficit, only that Scotland is in a marginally better position?

I mean, the difference between a six and seven per cent deficit is marginal; wasn't Ireland's 30% a couple of years ago, and didn't Salmond say to Andrew Neil a couple of weeks ago that a three per cent deficit was a reasonable limit that could be agreed with the Bank of Englad in exchange for keeping the pound? :oops:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:59 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Additionally, an independent Scotland won't be contributing to trident or it's obscenely expensive replacement.
We won't be funding illegal foreign wars, nor spending millions maintaining the last outposts of the UK's colonial past.
This is all money that can better be spent right here in Scotland.


Serious question gusmac, and nothing to do with the independence angle, would you have just had the West stand back and let Saddam Hussein get on with his murderous regime?

And would you have the West unilaterally disarm and leave loony tune states like North Korea and Iraq with the only nuclear weapons or developing them?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:39 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Additionally, an independent Scotland won't be contributing to trident or it's obscenely expensive replacement.
We won't be funding illegal foreign wars, nor spending millions maintaining the last outposts of the UK's colonial past.
This is all money that can better be spent right here in Scotland.


Serious question gusmac, and nothing to do with the independence angle, would you have just had the West stand back and let Saddam Hussein get on with his murderous regime?

And would you have the West unilaterally disarm and leave loony tune states like North Korea and Iraq with the only nuclear weapons or developing them?


Saddam's regime was murderous for many years before Bush decided to invade in 2003 on the false pretext of WMDs and the US assertion that Iraq was involved with Al Queda, which it was not.
The west stood back and let him get on with it for long enough, when it suited them to do so.
In fact, until 1990, the US and UK were amongst his biggest backers. They only changed their tune when he threatened their oil supply by invading Kuwait.
Your question is misleadingly simple.

And no, I would not have the west unilaterally disarm.
That doesn't mean that I'd have these weapons on the territory of an independent Scotland, and I certainly wouldn't have Scotland paying a penny towards them.
Do you think all the small nations of the west should possess nuclear weapons and play world policeman when they feel like it or more accurately when the US tells them to?

BTW, I think you mean Iran, not Iraq. :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:43 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
gusmac wrote:
[The UK is spending beyond our means and theirs Eddie, and they have been for years.
If you check, I think you will find holyrood has a balanced budget.
http://news.stv.tv/politics/259355-scot ... w-figures/


Doesn't the article say that both are in deficit, only that Scotland is in a marginally better


It also says that the Scottish budget is balanced, and has been for the last 5 years.
The deficit occurs in the areas which are controlled by Westminster, allegedly on our behalf.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:47 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Saddam's regime was murderous for many years before Bush decided to invade in 2003 on the false pretext of WMDs and the US assertion that Iraq was involved with Al Queda, which it was not.
The west stood back and let him get on with it for long enough, when it suited them to do so.
In fact, until 1990, the US and UK were amongst his biggest backers. They only changed their tune when he threatened their oil supply by invading Kuwait.
Your question is misleadingly simple.


And your answer is? :oops:

Yes, I realise the hypocrisy of Bush et al, but that wasn't the point of the question.

And is there any proof the WMD claim was made up rather than an error?

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And no, I would not have the west unilaterally disarm.
That doesn't mean that I'd have these weapons on the territory of an independent Scotland, and I certainly wouldn't have Scotland paying a penny towards them.
Do you think all the small nations of the west should possess nuclear weapons and play world policeman when they feel like it or more accurately when the US tells them to?


Grade A hypocrisy.

Quite willing to stand behind the nuclear umbrella, but as long as it's someone else's. :oops:

But I wouldn't worry, gusmac, since I'm a grade A hypocrite on these issues as well.

But in my defence I was a teenager at the time :lol:


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bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
wee eddie wrote:
gusmac: I don't know where you think all the money is going to come from. At the moment we're spending well beyond our means as it is.


The UK is spending beyond our means and theirs Eddie, and they have been for years.
If you check, I think you will find holyrood has a balanced budget.
http://news.stv.tv/politics/259355-scot ... w-figures/

Additionally, an independent Scotland won't be contributing to trident or it's obscenely expensive replacement.
We won't be funding illegal foreign wars, nor spending millions maintaining the last outposts of the UK's colonial past.
This is all money that can better be spent right here in Scotland.


What would the rest of the world think of a Country that walked out on its Partners in the Union after several hundred years and then leave them to pick up the Bill for all things we in part were complicit in...whether it be through the Empire or through our National Defence Stratagy.

The World would percieve us to be the type of people who leave their friends in the Sh*te just at time when they need us most. Can you Imagine that a Disgruntled State of the United States of America would leave the Union just because they had a chip on their Shoulder about their bigger neigbouring state!!!

That would never happen because of Two reasons, Those reasons are because they are fiercely loyal to other members of the union and also because they realise that their strength comes about through their united Size.


Does the world think this way about the Irish?

As for America, they'd keep their nation together by force, as they did in the past.

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Dusty Bin wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Saddam's regime was murderous for many years before Bush decided to invade in 2003 on the false pretext of WMDs and the US assertion that Iraq was involved with Al Queda, which it was not.
The west stood back and let him get on with it for long enough, when it suited them to do so.
In fact, until 1990, the US and UK were amongst his biggest backers. They only changed their tune when he threatened their oil supply by invading Kuwait.
Your question is misleadingly simple.


And your answer is? :oops:

Yes, I realise the hypocrisy of Bush et al, but that wasn't the point of the question.

And is there any proof the WMD claim was made up rather than an error?


My answer is " not our problem"

And I would think the onus of proof would be on those who made the allegation.

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gusmac wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
gusmac wrote:
[The UK is spending beyond our means and theirs Eddie, and they have been for years.
If you check, I think you will find holyrood has a balanced budget.
http://news.stv.tv/politics/259355-scot ... w-figures/


Doesn't the article say that both are in deficit, only that Scotland is in a marginally better


It also says that the Scottish budget is balanced, and has been for the last 5 years.
The deficit occurs in the areas which are controlled by Westminster, allegedly on our behalf.


Oh you mean this?

"Unlike successive UK governments, the Scottish Government has run a balanced budget every year since 2007,"

:lol:

Actually the way it works is that Scotland spends the money and the UK Govt takes on the debt to finance it.

It's like a parent taking on a bank loan so that a kid can go on holiday, then the kid says that he's running a balanced budget because he only spent the money given to him by the parent :roll:

John Swinney is either being dishonest or is financially illiterate.

The true picture is provided at the start of the article.

Salmond has never disputed that Scotland would have to take on a share of UK debt, because Scotland's spending has been financed out of that debt, as has the rest of the UK.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:00 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Saddam's regime was murderous for many years before Bush decided to invade in 2003 on the false pretext of WMDs and the US assertion that Iraq was involved with Al Queda, which it was not.
The west stood back and let him get on with it for long enough, when it suited them to do so.
In fact, until 1990, the US and UK were amongst his biggest backers. They only changed their tune when he threatened their oil supply by invading Kuwait.
Your question is misleadingly simple.


And your answer is? :oops:

Yes, I realise the hypocrisy of Bush et al, but that wasn't the point of the question.

And is there any proof the WMD claim was made up rather than an error?


My answer is " not our problem"

And I would think the onus of proof would be on those who made the allegation.


So it's all just moral posturing while you hide behind the West?

Thought so :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:01 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:

Grade A hypocrisy.

Quite willing to stand behind the nuclear umbrella, but as long as it's someone else's. :oops:


Hypocrisy it may be, but it's good enough for most of the western world. Why should we be any different?

Also, I think you would find we would be in breach of international law if we obtained nuclear weapons of our own :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:08 pm 
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Funny how the Scottish Nationalist response always seems to be it's just the same as the West, the UK, Labour, Tories, Lib Dems blah, blah.

So same old hypocisy and self-serving economic illiteracy.

So why bother changing things, or is it really just about flag-waving after all?


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