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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:54 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
And of course we need to remind these websites of the 1976 act.

Are those sites 'in the course of business making provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle' ?

If so then they need an operator's license.


Only if they're passing on work directly to a driver rather than to an operator or operator/driver?

In short, as long as there's an operator's licence somewhere between the booking and the driver then it's OK?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:33 pm 
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Thanks for the feedback guys - great to hear your thoughts on this.

I'll also check out that 1976 act - but like Dusty says, it'll be the operators (who already have an operators licence) taking the bookings once the job has been accepted.

Anyone got any feedback on this point:

- What's the best (in your view) method for the PH operators to receive (and respond!) to these jobs coming in?
i.e. do most PH operators have a PC with internet access in the office?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:49 pm 
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My guess:

The difference in quotes will be relatively small among CabCos adjacent to the Start or Finish Point. CabCos Central to the projected Journey, might be a better bet for a lower Quote.

Although it might generate a certain amount of business for longer runs, the Cost Effectiveness of such a System for Small Ticket Hires is debatable. If a CabCo gets a single No-show on a pre-booked Long Hire, your Site is likely to be damned for ever.

Most use of the Site, by the Public, will be on a Saturday Night and the CabCos will ignore it, regardless of the method of delivery.

So, if you can do all the setting-up yourself and have almost Zero Operating Costs, for the first three years. You might have a business. Most Restaurants start on, more or less, that basis. Go for it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:12 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
Sussex wrote:
And of course we need to remind these websites of the 1976 act.

Are those sites 'in the course of business making provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle' ?

If so then they need an operator's license.


Only if they're passing on work directly to a driver rather than to an operator or operator/driver?

In short, as long as there's an operator's licence somewhere between the booking and the driver then it's OK?

I disagree.

They need a license if they are 'making provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle'.

What they do with those bookings is another matter.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:13 am 
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PaulH wrote:
I'll also check out that 1976 act - but like Dusty says, it'll be the operators (who already have an operators licence) taking the bookings once the job has been accepted.

Are you, or are you not, making provisions for bookings?

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will it be like this....

http://www.quotemetaxi.com/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:47 am 
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Sussex wrote:
I disagree.

They need a license if they are 'making provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle'.

What they do with those bookings is another matter.


But couldn't they argue that it's the operator who's doing that? The agent is making provision for bookings for an operator?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:48 am 
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Sussex wrote:
PaulH wrote:
I'll also check out that 1976 act - but like Dusty says, it'll be the operators (who already have an operators licence) taking the bookings once the job has been accepted.

Are you, or are you not, making provisions for bookings?


For an operator, not for a PH vehicle - that's further down the food chain?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:37 am 
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This issue has been done to death on one of the limo forums. There is a company called Limobroker who just find the customers. They don't own any vehicles. They have agents all over the UK.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:43 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
But couldn't they argue that it's the operator who's doing that? The agent is making provision for bookings for an operator?

I suspect they will all argue that.

But if a website has some sort of direct/indirect booking option(s), then I fail to see how they cannot be making provision.

If they weren't then they would be a waste of time.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:44 am 
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grandad wrote:
This issue has been done to death on one of the limo forums. There is a company called Limobroker who just find the customers. They don't own any vehicles. They have agents all over the UK.

And in my view they are operating illegally.

However I think the Law Commission will change things.

Whether that's a good thing I'm not so sure.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:30 am 
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Sussex: I think that you are probably wrong.

Think about all those travel Agents, who do not have licenses, and yet manage to book Taxi Connections for their Clients. They can't all be illegal.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:03 pm 
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It seems to me that the intention of the legislation is that as long as there's an operator involved somewhere and thus taking responsibility for the bookings, vehicles and drivers then that's all that's required.

And to that extent it's reasonable to say that the agent isn't responsible or making provision for bookings for PHVs; that's what the operator does.

Have any such agents been required to have a licence anywhere?


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wee eddie wrote:
Sussex: I think that you are probably wrong.

Think about all those travel Agents, who do not have licenses, and yet manage to book Taxi Connections for their Clients. They can't all be illegal.

I think they are just booking a cab on behalf of a customer, in the same way pubs/clubs/restaurants etc do.

However they don't advertise or make provisions to book private hire vehicles.

I hope you can see the difference.

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Dusty Bin wrote:
Have any such agents been required to have a licence anywhere?

No.

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