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CCTV campaigner is barred from meeting



A MAN who has dedicated his life to fighting Big Brother officialdom was barred from a meeting by city council chiefs.

Nick Pickles travelled from London on Wednesday specially for a meeting where cabbies and city council licensing officials were to discuss controversial CCTV plans for taxis.

But he was turned away because the meeting was deemed “private” by council chiefs.

The city council says the scheme is needed to protect taxi drivers and passengers.

The meeting, with city council executive member Colin Cook and other officials, was organised by private hire driver Khalil Ahmed and colleagues who invited Mr Pickles to join their delegation.

More than 250 people have signed a petition against the scheme.

Mr Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch, said: “The whole point was to follow up the petition.

“It is quite clear the scheme does not have support and it now seems clear that the council is not intending to enter into meaningful conversation.”

Mr Ahmed spent more than an hour and a half discussing the scheme with Mr Cook and representatives from the city council licensing department and the City of Oxford Licensed Taxicab Association.

He said: “They never told me this was a private meeting. I am absolutely gutted we were not allowed to bring Nick in.

“They did not want someone in there who is qualified in these issues of privacy and it shows ill intent, but we will continue fighting.”

While the meeting was going on, several taxi drivers stood across the road outside the Town Hall in St Aldate’s waving banners demonstrating their opposition to CCTV.

Speaking after the meeting Mr Cook said: “I am more than happy to have a meeting with Nick Pickles but that was not the basis for this meeting, which was for taxi drivers.”

Following the meeting, Mr Ahmed said: “They have confirmed to us that they are going ahead with the scheme.”

The CCTV scheme will begin on Sunday, April 1, from which time all newly registered taxis will have to have CCTV in them.

Cabs which are currently registered have until 2015 to implement the change.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/960811 ... m_meeting/

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The CCTV scheme will begin on Sunday, April 1, from which time all newly registered taxis will have to have CCTV in them.

I take it someone on that council has a sense of humour

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lack of modern legislation is the iceberg sinking the titanic of the transport sector

The problem with this so called trade, most have absolutely no business sense, they don't have to.
Sitting at at rank or being dispatched a job doesn't require much acumen. Never crossed their mind that customers just might feel safer and use cabs more ......no thought not!!!!

Take it someone has rattled your cage.

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No just sick of spurious arguments, humans rights, big brother ect...the truth is, if my city is anything to go by, in the last 10 years drivers losing their licenses has gone through the roof.
If the majority of drivers have any Business acumen they would and should be screaming for mandatory CCTV.

Rights gone Wrong BBC doc, watch it and you'll see just what the guys point is, we all know CCTV in a taxi isn't for your protection, it's so from the safety of an office someone can go.......ohh look a nasty man, and he just said some nasty words and punched the cabby, ohh and now the cabby is saying nasty words and hitting him back, 3 guesses who goes to court for assault and gets convicted, clue is he isn't a passenger in the car.

I've had enough of it all myself, 20 years ago a man worked and went to the pub for a drink, he never narked a friend up and he only really got into it if someone started on him, since PC got going a man doesn't work, he doesn't go to a pub cos it's now a block of flats, he can't wait to grass someone up if there's something in it for him and he picks a fight knowing that someone is going to step in and save him if it goes wrong and brings a mob with him just incase.

This ain't Britain anymore, it's a f888ing jokeland, somewhere for constant irritants to live and cry to the police when their latest stroke goes wrong, I feel for the cops, half of what they have to serve justice for doesn't deserve any and it must turn an officers guts over when he has to arrest someone whose fallen victim of this sh)t

Sorry so now we are saying the BBC is the bastion of truth and Justice!!!

Me thinks you read to much of the Daily Fail, are you suggesting that a group of 12 good people would find you guilty IF the CCTV footage showed you were indeed defending yourself???

Have a look at the Rape page, tell me that doesn't effect trade, when I started driving a cab, rape and assault of passengers was unheard of, now its common place.
Tell me you haven't heard conspiracies abound about illegal drivers, driving on others badges?

You have driven a cab for 20 years, have you never had an accident where CCTV would of saved your no claims or at least made the job easier.

The emotive neo-Liberal arguments are always the same....intellectually inept, largely opinion spoken as fact.

Never let FACTS gets in the way of an emotive argument.....next your be telling me Thatcher was good for Britain, and the Nazis invaded Poland first:roll:

Actually if you watch the program you'll want to edit your post, there aren't any lies in it, it shows how the manipulative ass that has bred rapidly in this country is playing us all, here's an example

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... pliff.html


See how that one sit's with you.

I never said the word lies.....proganda takes many forms, as does poorly informed fearfull ignorance. It's how eugenics became excepted science.

First line indicates you think the BBC show is full of lies, I know the media does do that, but this show was a balanced look at how it is, if you see it you'd be agreeing with me.

I don't do newspapers, but isn't it funny that the only paper that tries to show you how it really is always gets the put down, truth hurts and it scares ppl, that's why the Mail always gets the **** salute and made out to be the bad guy.

The rapes etc have arrived with certain factions, they were there before but not on the scale, and certain factions always try to bend the rules to suit them, this is fact not anything racial, there is a page here listing them, and the names listed show me to be correct.

A camera would not have saved me anything, the accident's I've had have either been my fault or not challenged when I've been on the end of it instead.

I'm no Liberal, I can't stand them, they have only one plan in life and that is to highlight where everyone else went wrong, total fence sitters.

Not sure about the last line, to the best of my knowledge the Nazis did invade Poland first, or is this a roundabout way of saying the WW1 treaty that gave Poland part of Germany, so it was German anyway?

Thanks for reposting, it appears that you have once again choosen to make no intelligent retord to the points I raised.
If I can find it, I will find you an interesting study on internet forums. Where ppl just ignore or flippently reject others valid points, only to post their views with no attempt for intelligent debate.

I fully acknowledge the arguments made against cctv, which are largely based on emotive fearmongering. Seriously the best reason you can find is it "could" be used to "wrongly" accuse a driver, then you have to conseed that the opposite is possible.
Or is the conspiracy that the council,CPS, police and the courts all want cctv to criminalnize innosent taxi drivers.

Listen, if you want a CCTV you have one, I've no objection, myself I think it's an invasion of privacy that will end up you will have one in every room in your house eventually so the man can monitor you, it has nothing to do with net behaviour at all, and if I was to retort I can say that unless everyone agrees with you they are wrong.

And if you want one good reason against it, watch your takings shrink once ppl decide they aren't getting in a cab that's recording them, you will have the guy whose just making convo in the car end up in court for saying something unpolitically correct and word will go round to walk becauise it's cheaper and you won't end up in court for having an opinion, and it will happen.

Look at it this way, you get a mugger in, he takes your bag with £60 in it, you are still £340 better off than not having splashed £400 on a CCTV unit, you have to adapt, sometimes it's not worth chasing after a runner, you can't win every time, I know it's not right but knowing how to deal a situation is the best way, if you get murdered, then a CCTV still isn't going to help you is it.

I don't know how old you are, but life is turning into an open air prison and I don't like the smell of it, I remember freedom without Mr Dogood thinking his way is best, ponder this one, if a man earned a living that supported a proper life do you think he'd ever bump you, he bumps you and steals from you because the man has him locked down into poverty, the real criminals are those that earn millions doing sod all and pay their workers a pitance.

Now I don't expect you to grasp this concept, from the look of things you've been conditioned already, but take a tip, CCTV in a cab isn't for your benefit, it's so they can spy on everyone and best of all get the victim to pay for the CCTV in the first place.

Well at least we agree on wealth distribution, which is whole different kettle. (A subject I both teach and research)

Would like to know who this "they" is?.......Who is in this conspiracy of yours? Police,CPS, council, courts......or the ministry of information!!!!

oh I have evidence from halcrow that young women feeling apprehensive about catching cabs late at night. Can the same be said about ppl refusing to use cabs because of cctv....or is this yet another conspiracy.
I also don't have voice, in fact the data commission advice against it, which sort of throws your big brother cons piracy out the window.

And no the Nazis didn't invade Poland first the Russians did. Oh and the attack on the military post was staged. Propaganda......read it, by Edward Burnays

THEY, are a non existant entity created by paranoia within Government, rights groups and national security, collectively they call for things and before you know it we have them and none of the above acknowledge they had anything to do with it.

In one way the CCTV is a good idea if you simply want to protect, but it is so open to abuse now, what ppl fail to realise is when they use the leagal system they think the police and solicitor are working for them, in a way they are, but, they are infact working for themselves, a solicitor doesn't care much about the truth, if he's a defence lawyer he will still move heaven and earth to get someone off even if he knows they are guilty, it's all target driven today, and it works the same way on the other foot, an innocent man can go down simply because the other lawyer wanted to win in court.

Are you talking WW2, cos if you are Germany invaded Poland, Russia let the German's get to Moscow before turning the Blitzkrieg on them and driving them back to Germany to then have to surrender, it's how the Eastern Bloc became to be, Russia won the war, without Russia the allies couldn't stop Hitler, sadly Stalin was as bad as Hitler anyway and helped himself to half of Europe and Churchill was powerless to object to him at the time, that war sends good lessons and visions of what is to come if you look deep enough, sadly school administrator's don't see it that way, so man is destined to repeat himself eventually, it's all part of evolution.

Corner shop -> Superstore -> Corp takeover until only one is left -> Domination -> Muscle flexing starts

Many examples all around, it started with the wheel, planes inspired by birds, con rods and cranks inspired by........and so on


You and ppl like yourself are unwittingly emprisoning yourselves, I was once like you myself, all for the team, until you realise that team is all for itself and you don't figure, ask any lad whose fought for us and then come home unable to continue to serve, he'll tell you all about how far team stretches once you outlive your usefulness.

But isn't a major argument against the Oxford scheme is that it will have voice? And be compulsory?

Not keen at all on having everything recorded, particularly when in the car on my own, or going shopping, on holiday, with friends and relatives in the car.

Wouldn't mind so much if it was for my benefit and I controlled access, but clearly that's not the proposal.