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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:39 pm 
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Any suggestions then?


There is obviously nothing that I can personally do to alter your situation - if I could wave the magic wand for you I would. Having said that there is no point in raging at others who are fighting their corner. Will it hurt you/me? yes it may very well do so, but not half as much if they too eventually go on to minimum wage or lose their jobs like many others.

Just remember - the less money that there is out there...............then we also get less.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:43 pm 
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Good news - just had my second fare, which took fifty seconds exactly. I timed it on the way back.

Never mind though, no doubt the tanker guys will be round soon forming a picket in solidarity to help old Dusty.

Oh, no wait a minute, I'm supposed to help myself because I've got nothing to lose, according to some. :roll:

But just the type of attitude I expect from many in the cab trade, and even worse is the unions in the cab trade.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:48 pm 
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Any suggestions then?


There is obviously nothing that I can personally do to alter your situation - if I could wave the magic wand for you I would. Having said that there is no point in raging at others who are fighting their corner. Will it hurt you/me? yes it may very well do so, but not half as much if they too eventually go on to minimum wage or lose their jobs like many others.


Great advice that - just keep on taking it up the choccy box, but make it worse for yourself to help others earning several times what you are.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:54 pm 
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Whats the answer then ? We need more people in unions not less.thats why theres such big divides in this country of the have and have nots ,cause nobody really gives a toss.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:05 pm 
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but make it worse for yourself to help others earning several times what you are


If you are going to come out with beauties like that - there is no hope for you. How can you overall make it worse for yourself? if others are earning several times more than you or I !!....................simples - more for them - more for you.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:11 pm 
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Hes googling daily mail online :D


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:53 pm 
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This springs to mind...

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me -
and by then there was no one left to speak out for me.

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Pastor Martin Niemöller


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:07 pm 
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So presumably you expect me to 'down tools' to help them then?

I expect nothing of the sort.

These guys have every right to protect their livelihood and you should recognise that, even if you don't support them.

BTW it not their fault if trade in your neck of the woods is sh1te.
And if things are as bad as you say, just fill your tank up. The strike will be over by the time it's empty.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:13 pm 
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If you are going to come out with beauties like that - there is no hope for you. How can you overall make it worse for yourself? if others are earning several times more than you or I !!....................simples - more for them - more for you.


Well if you could persuade me how supporting striking tanker drivers would help me in any way then I wouldn't come out with such 'beauties'. Thirty years ago, perhaps, when I was politically naive, but not now.

On the other hand, I could quite easily see how it could be hugely detrimental to myself and others, perhaps tipping them over the edge financially, or maybe driving them to suicide. But you next remarks demonstrate that that wouldn't particularly bother you either, I suspect.

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Do not go near any rope.............and do not go playing with any guns.


I wouldn't go there if I was you, but on the other hand that remark does say a lot about you.

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P.s - Questions have been asked of you - and you have answered none


Well I certainly ignored some questions that had no obvious relevance, if that's what you mean.

Anyway, all of this reminds me that I only came back as a favour when the site was down, so now seems an appropriate time to go on an extended sabbatical.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:17 pm 
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BTW it not their fault if trade in your neck of the woods is sh1te.
And if things are as bad as you say, just fill your tank up. The strike will be over by the time it's empty.


Gosh, more sympathy from the 'brothers'.

Wouldn't it be more sensible to suggest using the fuel to torch the car, taking the driver with it in the process?

You people are nicely confirming my stereotoype of the unions though.

I'm alright Jack, was it?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:18 pm 
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If this tanker driving which pays £45K is so easy, why not drop taxi driving and go for it?

Go on, take the driver CPC and TWO LGV tests (you cant go straight for class 1 now) and pay that £1000, then get a few years experience behind you elsewhere (no-one gets to move 7500 gallons of unleaded never having driven one before) then take the many extra petro-hazard courses and HASAWE courses required, your vehicle is as dangerous empty as it is full while you work and actually unloading is the most dangerous time.

The A38 Expressway access ramp from the Tyburn road (brum) was closed a few years ago for several months for repairs after a tanker hit the supports and burst into flames, the drivers body was never recovered so intense were the flames and heat, the steel rods inside the support coloumns melted.....

I wouldnt want to do it

with 7000 gallons of fuel worth £7 a gallon (£49,000) i wonder how long it will be before a tanker gets hijacked...

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:41 pm 
I want to thank you Dusty, in this thread alone you have proven why me and you kinda clash over opinion, your attitude is for yourself and you bury your head if it doesn't effect you.

Several of the lads have tried to show you it's not about the wage it's about not giving into the big boy, because once you do next week he's back with more sanctions, and is basically a bully.

Cabby John has tried to explain to you that unless we team up and resist we will get walked on, Mrs Thatcher absolutely in a vengeful manner destroyed Wales, and Yorkshire for that matter, this is what the tanker drivers are trying to ensure doesn't happen to them.

The pump price won't be effected by any of this, they aren't asking for more money and the fact there are only 2000 of them anyway it would hardly break the bank if they did.

This whole episode is the big boy trying to squeeze the small guy down, he's heard jobs are scarce so he thinks he can muscle with fear and all will fall over gracefully.

What Cabby John says is correct, if you let it happen the cash runs out, as seen in the cab game and the moneygoround stops.

Taxeman has also written the quote about not being what the topic is and ignored it and then when it was he there was nobody left to defend him, not his quote obviously but right on the mark, if you think Hitler and his crew were the worst man could come up with you are wrong, there are many many Hitlers among us today, each quite happy to make you eat dog sh7t for dinner while he has the whole cow to himself.

Now, get with the program before you are a slave again, because that's how things are going right now, recessions suit the rich, it's when they go bargain hunting ready to ram it up high when the recovery comes, if it ever comes this time, the Roths and the Rockers have been doing it for years, purchasing whole markets to starve it to drive costs up, typical greedy man syndrome, you may not be old enough to really understand it right now, but by the time you hit 50 you will, then you'll look back and think, sheet I backed the wrong horse back then, an accidental Judas.


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Now don't read and take that as a scath towards you, I'm simply trying to get you to think properLy, your worried about 2p a litre right now, but fail to see if ppl don't stand up that 2p will be 20p next time, well it already is, fuel is 50% higher under the Tories than it was under Labour, that idiot George Osbourne is going to cost the Tories the next election the way he's going about it watering the plants with a flamethrower.


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Dusty Bin wrote:
gusmac wrote:
BTW it not their fault if trade in your neck of the woods is sh1te.
And if things are as bad as you say, just fill your tank up. The strike will be over by the time it's empty.


Gosh, more sympathy from the 'brothers'.

Wouldn't it be more sensible to suggest using the fuel to torch the car, taking the driver with it in the process?

You people are nicely confirming my stereotoype of the unions though.

I'm alright Jack, was it?


You want sympathy, try the dictionary. You'll find it between sh*t and syphilis.

I don't belong to a union BTW and I never have.
And if anyone is exhibiting an I'm alright Jack attitude, it's you.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:19 am 
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Do not go near any rope.............and do not go playing with any guns.


I wouldn't go there if I was you, but on the other hand that remark does say a lot about you.




There was an attempt at humour in there, admittedly on the black side (that is a taxi driver for you) but you do need to lighten up.

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P.s - Questions have been asked of you - and you have answered none


Well I certainly ignored some questions that had no obvious relevance, if that's what you mean.

Anyway, all of this reminds me that I only came back as a favour when the site was down, so now seems an appropriate time to go on an extended sabbatical.


You did not ignore some questions - you never answered any of them !

Please do not think that you are doing anyone any favours by being here, because if I am here it is to help others, and to learn from others who know better. If that is the best that you can do then I think that you are for the first time correct................take your extended sabbatical.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:04 am 
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gusmac wrote:
You want sympathy, try the dictionary. You'll find it between sh*t and syphilis.


Indeed I don't expect much sympathy from the vast majority in the cab trade, and again you prove my point; you and the tanker drivers don't give a toss about me, but I'm supposed to be supporting them?

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I don't belong to a union BTW and I never have.


Hardly surprising given that they support the policies that you rail against in the cab trade on the one hand, but now they're all sweetness and light and brotherhood and selflessness . :lol:

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And if anyone is exhibiting an I'm alright Jack attitude, it's you


Simple problem with the unions is that there's too much shafting of their fellow workers, as the cab trade ably demonstrates.

I'm hardly surprised at the attitude of cabby john and Doom - that much has been obvious for years - but you live and learn about others. :D


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