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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:22 pm 
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187ums wrote:
So how much is the permit price at Edinburgh?? Think this will be a high one, big station and all?


That's like saying that plates in Birmingham should be more valuable than in Oxford because it's several times bigger.

As I alluded earlier, are you sure you've thought this through?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:58 pm 
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I was waiting for our supposed cabby mate trying to link station permit prices to plate value. I am just trying to gauge prices not conduct an empirical study.

How much is your permit? Oops I forget you operate anonymously...


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:06 pm 
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187ums wrote:
I was waiting for our supposed cabby mate trying to link station permit prices to plate value. I am just trying to gauge prices not conduct an empirical study.

How much is your permit? Oops I forget you operate anonymously...


I'll try again. :roll:

If you're only getting one job an hour at Manchester Picadilly then obviously the 'value' of the permit will be a lot less than that at a station in a one-horse town where the number of permits is such that they're doing three jobs an hour.

The 'value' that your originally enquiry asked about has jack to do with things like the size of the station.

If you won't consider the plate value analogy without taking the huff then it's a bit like Sussex often says regarding office fees. If a PH office is asking £150 a week for a grand of work then that's a lot better value than £90 a week for £300 of work, but your logic seems to compare the £150 with the £90 and assume that the latter is automatically the better value.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:15 pm 
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I think you need to go back and read the thread again, all I asked for is station permit prices up and down the country. Like I said my intention is not to make it an empirical study.

Once again, how much is a permit where ever you supposedly work??


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:36 pm 
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187ums wrote:
I think you need to go back and read the thread again, all I asked for is station permit prices up and down the country. Like I said my intention is not to make it an empirical study.


So if it's not an empirical study then what is it then? :roll:

And if you go back to your initial query you mentioned that the purpose of your enquiry was to ascertain the 'value' of your permit, so it's not quite true to say that your enquiry is purely about a crude comparision of prices, but you seem to have taken offence at someone merely trying to assist you in your quest.

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Once again, how much is a permit where ever you supposedly work?


Jack; access to our station is unrestricted.

But why is it that if anyone as much as challenges what you say - or even tries to help you - then you rear up and assume that they can't be a taxi driver? :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:44 pm 
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So why not say "in jacksville" it costs "jack all", that's it. If you want to try to discredit my little project you carry on.

The trouble is we don't really know if you are really are a driver in "jacksville" do we??


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:58 pm 
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187ums wrote:
So why not say "in jacksville" it costs "jack all", that's it. If you want to try to discredit my little project you carry on.

The trouble is we don't really know if you are really are a driver in "jacksville" do we??


Who cares?

All I know that your 'little project' as you call it won't enable you to ascertain whether or not you're getting value, but you seem unable or unwilling to see that, and instead have to resort to the same old juvenile jibes about this, that and the next thing other than the subject in hand :lol:

Try to help someone and they bit your head off if it's not the answer they want to hear.

But as I said, do you think I really care?

Face, bovvered??? :D


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:02 pm 
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Oh boy, here he goes again.........


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:26 pm 
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Dusty, Are you practicing to become a politician, they never answer the questions, but rant on about other things. :lol:
I along with others would like to know how much a permit costs around the UK,
Alegidly we will have 2 stations here in the Borders within 3 miles of each other, but I hope ours will be free to pick up from.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:19 pm 
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There are a number of threads on here giving a number of different permit lists.

However it appears the search function only goes back to when TDO changed to php3. :sad:

However thanks to those google bots there is a better avenue for search.

Stick this in google station permits site:taxi-driver.co.uk

Or go to google advanced http://www.google.co.uk/advanced_search?hl=en and put in taxi-driver.co.uk as the domain to check, and check whatever words you want.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:57 am 
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http://www.myringgo.co.uk/whereitworks?id=105


https://hs1.myringgo.co.uk/help/article/12006
Where can I purchase a Taxi Permit? How many are available? What is the price?


You are able to purchase your Taxi Permit for business use with RingGo at selected First Capital Connect stations. All applications must be submitted via https://fcc.myringgo.co.uk/taxi and NOT myRingGo.

The stations currently on offer are shown below with the threshold allowance and price:
◦Bedford (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22015) - Threshold 72 - £135.00
◦Biggleswade (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22019) - Threshold 10 - £10.00
◦Downham Market (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22003) - Threshold 10 - £75.00
◦Flitwick (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22013) - Threshold 50 - £135.00
◦Hatfield (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22011) - Threshold 59 - £98.00
◦Hertford North (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22017) - Threshold 15 - £100.00
◦Hitchin (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22004) - Threshold 70 - £110.00
◦Huntingdon (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22005) - Threshold 41 - £98.00
◦Kings Lynn & Downham Mkt (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22002) - Threshold 10 - £80.00
◦Kings Lynn (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22001) - Threshold 41 - £75.00
◦Letchworth (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22014) - Threshold 60 - £98.00
◦Luton & LAP (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22010) - Threshold 80 - £155.00
◦Luton (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22008) - Threshold 80 - £155.00
◦Luton Airport Parkway (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22009) - Threshold 10 - £140.00
◦Royston (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22016) - Threshold 30 - £75.00
◦St Albans & Harpenden (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22007) - Threshold 80 - £155.00
◦St Albans (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22006) - Threshold 100 - £153.00
◦St Neots (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22018) - Threshold 10 - £80.00
◦Stevenage (Taxi Permit) at Taxi Permits (22012) - Threshold 10 - £80.00

The threshold is simply how many Taxi Permits are available at each station. All Taxi Permits are offered on a first come, first served basis. Should the threshold be reached before you come to renew, you will be informed during your online application and RingGo are unable to extend the threshold limit to accommodate you.

To note; all credit card payments are subject to a 1.8% surcharge.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:58 am 
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http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.10816
Taxi access to railway stations


We carried out a research study to find out whether the permits used by railway station operators to control taxi access to their stations were having a detrimental effect upon either passengers or competition.

We looked at both of the main types of station ‘taxis’. The first of these two types are ‘hackney carriages’ which are available for immediate hire at a rank or through being hailed in the street, and can also be pre-booked. The second type are private hire vehicles, also sometimes known as ‘minicabs’, which must be pre-booked (often through driver’s membership of ‘circuits’) and cannot use taxi ranks including those at stations, although private hire booking offices are located at railway stations in some cases.

We had previously received a series of complaints from individual drivers, taxi firms, and the GMB Professional Drivers’ Branch (GMBPDB). These centred upon the price and availability of individual drivers’ permits and tendering for sub-letting rights to concessions.

Our first objective was to assess how passengers were affected by taxis’ access to stations. Our second objective was to assess how competition law might apply to these arrangements.
We based our study on desk research and a series of interviews with Network Rail, train operators, taxi firms, and the GMBPDB.

Our findings

We observed that station operators use a number of methods (referred to below as ‘station permit fees’) to charge taxi drivers for access to stations. Station operators that restrict access to taxis commonly tend to levy fixed annual permit fees. There are many examples of station operators giving access to hackney carriages, private hire circuits, or both.

We found no evidence that station permit fees have an impact on hackney carriage fares, which are usually set by regulation.

Nor did we find any evidence to suggest that station permit fees influence private hire fares, or reasons to believe1 that this would be the case.

We were not made aware of any instances whereby access arrangements had a material negative impact on passenger service, for example waiting times.

It was previously suggested to us that some station permit fees might represent an instance of illegal excessive pricing under Chapter II of the UK’s Competition Act (the Act). But we found no reasons to suggest that we should launch an investigation under the Act. None of the station access regimes that we observed appeared to act against passengers’ interests. Because of this we decided not to commit resources to opening up an investigation.

Recommendations

We do not presently plan to explore this issue further.

Taxi drivers or circuits considering submitting a complaint to us about railway station access should clearly explain how they think station access arrangements are having an adverse impact on passengers, either directly or by harming competition.

Notes

1 Our research suggested that station permit fees are commonly levied on a fixed basis, in other words as a fee that drivers pay on a periodic (such as annual) basis. Permit fees typically do not depend on the number of journeys made, or miles driven, by licence holders. Private hire circuits have an incentive to set fares at a level that maximises their profits. To maximise their profits they have to price so as to find a middle ground between fares set so high that relatively few passengers are prepared to travel with them and fares that are set so low that individual journeys earn drivers relatively little money. This ‘balancing act’ isn’t affected by whether station operators levy fixed permit fees or not or by the level that any charges are levied at.

Last updated: 27 January 2012

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:01 am 
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Taxi Rank Permits

Cabfind provide taxi rank management services to over 20 locations throughout the UK for client companies.

We ensure that our taxi driver partners have the support and security of operating in a safe and secure environment and that all vehicles and drivers using our ranks, are in possession of a current permit and are fully compliant with local licensing laws.

As part of our agreement with our clients, we ensure that all ranks are regularly audited and appropriate action is taken against drivers who ply for hire illegally!

Ply for AgreemOur user friendly ent is endorsed by the NPHA (National Private Hire Association) and clearly sets out the rights and obligations of drivers. All vehicles and drivers are issued with clear identification documents including photograph ID’s. We work with our drivers and client partners to ensure that ranks are well managed and maintained to a high standard with clear taxi rank signage.

http://www.cabfind.co.uk/taxi-rank-perm ... ault.phuse

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:15 am 
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captain cab wrote:
We had previously received a series of complaints from individual drivers, taxi firms, and the GMB Professional Drivers’ Branch (GMBPDB). These centred upon the price and availability of individual drivers’ permits and tendering for sub-letting rights to concessions.

Well at least the GMB tried to highlight a problem that existed then and still does now.

Thanks to the Captain I have now actually read the decision. :sad:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:19 am 
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Well at least the GMB tried to highlight a problem that existed then and still does now.

Thanks to the Captain I have now actually read the decision. :sad:


Strange I had to stumble upon it by accident.

Would like to see the actual research done by the Rail Regulator and ask why the consultation wasnt publicised further than the groups mentioned.

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