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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:36 pm 
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I don't think 'like' comes into it, corporate contracts are tendered for purely on costs, Griffins overheads and vehicles cost way less than that of a licensed taxi, hence he can outbid any Radio Taxi company.

He had the advantage of cheap immigrant labour who work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, plus a fleet of new Galaxy's which he buys, and I'm sure Blobby will correct me, for around £17k each.

If I could buy a new cab for £17k, I'd change it every couple of years!

This nonsense about not getting an account because of Bus Lanes is guff, GS has no Bus Lanes that are off any use anywhere near them, and if it's the airports we are referring to, then there's none between them and city airport, and none along the embankment / A4 towards Heathrow. More flannel.

As I said at the start, this has nothing to do with competitive advantages, level playing fields, fairness etc, it's Griffen trying to remove Licensec London Taxis from the Bus Lanes.

He already has more advantages over us when it comes to competing for account work. Fixed prices.

I think our smart phone apps are hurting him, TLC app, Hailo, Blackcabapp, and Get Taxi who are also winning contract work. They all offer licensed taxis to your door with no run ins or booking fees or cc charges.

I think this has riled him. I think this has pushed him into this outburst.




Good, that man is the Eddie Stobbart of the cab trade, and incase anyone can't stay to the end here's the spoiler........






Eddie Stobbart died broke and the big boys simply took what he had once he'd priced everyone off the road, nice for them as they didn't have to wear the stain of the ones who ruined road haulage.


To sum up, he was one of those ppl who would do a job for nothing to stop you having it for a profit to barge you out, the same bloke as the one who never gives a penny away, the one you all hate because he seems to get off on making slaves but never does the job himself, Monopoly players I call em, and when I'm dead and gone if I should meet them in the afterlife if there is such a thing I will laugh in their faces before spitting on them.

When will man realise he is short term on earth so war and squeezing others isn't required, nasty,selfish proliferator's.


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Dusty, The majority of account journeys whether they be minicab or taxi are undertaken at night because cutbacks have forced staff onto public transport out with these hours.
Daytime account work is mainly visiting clients, who, in the main, make their way back to transport hubs, and my last post applies equally to stations as it does routes to the airports.

Why would they need to flag down a cab and a string vest?

I don't see any drivers like that on TLC, Hailo or Get Taxi, and they're just the same cost as a street hail, plus 5 mins free waiting time.

Griffen just wants us out, perhaps he should be more honest with his goals instead of flannel about a city account he lost fair and square?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:57 pm 
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GBC wrote:
Why would they need to flag down a cab and a string vest?


Well if you're saying cost is a major factor and the big circuits charge a run-in then one way to cut down costs would be flagging and taxi ranks, in which case it's pot luck quality wise.

Perhaps AL is considered both cheaper and more consistent quality-wise.

Of course, there are lots of different factors to consider, but I'm sure AL isn't the size it is purely down to pot luck.

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I don't see any drivers like that on TLC, Hailo or Get Taxi, and they're just the same cost as a street hail, plus 5 mins free waiting time.


But presumably they're not in a position to service the big corporate accounts?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:01 pm 
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Hailo has 4000 drivers on the app.

TLC has 700 active drivers.

Get Taxi, who are making inroads to the account world, have 2500.

Addison Lee have about 3500 drivers.

The apps are relatively new, give them time, inroads will be made.


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Oh, I didn't know these thingymabobs were so big, clearly I'm not up to speed with all this new-fangled stuff.

Unfortunately I haven't been inside the M25 for 20 years now. Or should that be 'fortunately'. 8)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:06 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:

Well if you're saying cost is a major factor and the big circuits charge a run-in then one way to cut down costs would be flagging and taxi ranks, in which case it's pot luck quality wise.

Perhaps AL is considered both cheaper and more consistent quality-wise.

Of course, there are lots of different factors to consider, but I'm sure AL isn't the size it is purely down to pot luck?


Nope, pure costs usually, they employ, IMHO, slave labour who are brought in from Poland, India etc with great earning promises, then reality strikes, but there's always another dozen waiting in the wings.

So they cover accounts for peanuts.

Race to the bottom, I neither want to or can afford to drive to deepest Essex at 1am for £50.

They have to. Hence the massive turnover of drivers. TFL told TAXI newspaper 40% of PH licenses are not renewed, and we're in a recession!


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But my point about cost and quality was from the demand-side, not the drivers' side, which I'm not disagreeing with.


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I think the staff moan about the drop in quality and privacy they used to receive in a licensed taxi, but 'the company has to go with the cheapest option' is the reply they get when they air their views to management.

I guess it'll take an important person or visiting client to make a fuss before they'll reconsider the quality over cost decisions.

As the old saying goes, you get what you pay for.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:01 pm 
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GBC wrote:
Hailo has 4000 drivers on the app.

TLC has 700 active drivers.

Get Taxi, who are making inroads to the account world, have 2500.

Addison Lee have about 3500 drivers.

The apps are relatively new, give them time, inroads will be made.


I think this is the main reason we are discussing this weeks news. Inroads have already been made.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:47 pm 
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The court hearing took place today whereby John Griffin agreed to withdraw the notice to his staff instructing them to illegally use the capitals bus lanes.

If he hadn't, TFL were going to revoke his operating license.

He could have then appealed, but I think after 'cycle gate', he's decided, or been told, to shut up for a bit.

There's publicity, then there's a 'Ratner' moment.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:08 am 
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The court hearing took place today whereby John Griffin agreed to withdraw the notice to his staff instructing them to illegally use the capitals bus lanes.

If he hadn't, TFL were going to revoke his operating license.

He could have then appealed, but I think after 'cycle gate', he's decided, or been told, to shut up for a bit.

There's publicity, then there's a 'Ratner' moment.



Just a greedy b4st4rd, he's 4 years past retirement, 6 years off daisies time and he still wants more, everything that is wrong and destroying the country, I'd love to be at his bedside as he dies so I could tell him how his money is going to get spent on wine women and song when he's gone, well the part that HRMC doesn't claim anyway, this type of man would be screwing squaddies wives in times of war and nicking items off the dead.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:01 am 
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Out of curiosity how many taxis are there in London?

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Out of curiosity how many taxis are there in London?



20000 ish

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:32 am 
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Out of curiosity how many taxis are there in London?



20000 ish


So I guess allowing another 20000 ish into the bus lanes would negate the purpose of them, but, some may say that purpose is already affected

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toots wrote:

So I guess allowing another 20000 ish into the bus lanes would negate the purpose of them, but, some may say that purpose is already affected



not really theres 60 to 100,000 minicabs

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