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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:40 pm 
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How would that solve the problem there would still be loads of saloon car taxis using bus lanes hence loads of stupid motorists thinking they can as well

The stupidity is the blatant discrimination against one side of the trade.

Why should taxis be allowed to use a lane but PH vehicles not?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:41 pm 
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How would that solve the problem there would still be loads of saloon car taxis using bus lanes hence loads of stupid motorists thinking they can as well

The stupidity is the blatant discrimination against one side of the trade.

Why should taxis be allowed to use a lane but PH vehicles not?



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:48 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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How would that solve the problem there would still be loads of saloon car taxis using bus lanes hence loads of stupid motorists thinking they can as well

The stupidity is the blatant discrimination against one side of the trade.

Why should taxis be allowed to use a lane but PH vehicles not?



In London or Manchester?

I would suggest PH Operators opposing the DSA test would be a pretty good start :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:50 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
In London or Manchester?

I would suggest PH Operators opposing the DSA test would be a pretty good start :lol:

Just cos the spivs object doesn't mean councils need follow their negative ways.

However should the council(s) mandate DSA taxi test passes as bus lane entry criteria, then everyone wins. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:05 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
I personally think that if you give PH access to bus lanes then it will lead to ordinary motorists abusing it I think a WAV bus & cycles only policy is best as there is no confusion then I doubt many motorists can tell the difference between a PH car and an ordinary car


They wont abuse it for long when the Photo fines start dropping on their hall carpets..


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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:33 am 
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Funny how PH has such a voice of equality but never plays by the rules isn't it, how about they stop theiving work that they aren't designated for, if the Hack sat outside their office touting they'd throw a hissy yet feel it's ok to do it by a rank,

I refer you to my answer two posts up.

Your manor might be a mess, well that's partly your fault for standing back and letting it be.



Not my fault, higher echelons in the council that has done it one way or another, the owner of the large PH fleet was livid at a cllr when discussions on moving a rank were held and it didn't go his way, was heard to say to said cllr....you said it was in the bag, I also witnessed dischord in the LO last week as the chief LO left the senior LO and 2 assistants to deal with a serious workload by themselves while she went on a swanny, and it's not only my manor it's everywhere, it's what happens when you license drivers who simply don't care about anything other than what is in their bag at the end of the week.


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tom2907 wrote:
If you look closely at the Picture of Mr Brocklehurst, you will see he is illegally parked on Zig zags, actually on a pedestrian crossing. I think that says it all.


How can you tell that?

If there are zig zags he could be inside them, as edders says.

And I've seen plenty of instances where there's zig zags on one side of the road but not on the other.

And there's no evidence from the photo that he's on the crossing.


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:48 pm 
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If you look closely at the Picture of Mr Brocklehurst, you will see he is illegally parked on Zig zags, actually on a pedestrian crossing. I think that says it all.


How can you tell that?

If there are zig zags he could be inside them, as edders says.

And I've seen plenty of instances where there's zig zags on one side of the road but not on the other.

And there's no evidence from the photo that he's on the crossing.


He's on Albert Square, its a one way street. The front of the car (out of sight) is level with the lights. The cab in the back ground is on an official rank.


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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 4:02 pm 
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tom2907 wrote:
He's on Albert Square, its a one way street. The front of the car (out of sight) is level with the lights. The cab in the back ground is on an official rank.


I thought you said to look closely at the picture, not to go there and have a look around #-o


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Addison Lee case is in the High Court today, Tues 19th. Judgement expected tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:34 pm 
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Have they got one CC, it's volume that kills the whole idea, there are simply too many of them to allow them into a bus lane, and you know Mr Dumbass will then start picking up and dropping off in the lane cos it's his right to be there, they f everything up in the trade, it's like a spoilt kid that wants more all the time, or it is locally anyway.

Yes, Manchesters PHV's have to look as follows;
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Manchester private hire cars must be either white or silver and display prominent yellow city council branding.

Incidentally, this story isnt new;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssing.html

http://toomanytaxis.com/taxi-news/2009/ ... e-protest/

Might as well put a 'Taxi' light on top and put a 1,000,000 lumen bulb inside it, FFS!!

I can see a one-tier system once the Law Commission have finished. There's no differnce now, so let's stop confusing the public.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:00 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Might as well put a 'Taxi' light on top and put a 1,000,000 lumen bulb inside it, FFS!!


Stopping be such a drama queen it doesn't look like a taxi at all, there's no light :lol:

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Taxidriveronline forum software wouldnt let me copy and paste the lot on here (too many characters) so you will have to click the link to read it all,but heres a taster .

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2012/1105.html



B e f o r e :

MR JUSTICE EDER
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Between:
TRANSPORT FOR LONDON
Claimant
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(1) JOHN GRIFFIN
(2) ADDISON LEE PLC
(3) EVENTECH LIMITED


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Martin Chamberlain and Sarah Love (instructed by Jane Hart, Transport for London) for the Claimant
Marie Demetriou QC (instructed by Maitland Walker LLP) for the Defendants
Hearing date: 23 April 2012
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Mr Justice Eder:

Introduction
The present proceedings are part of a wider dispute between the parties concerning the use of bus lanes in London which, in effect, come within the control of the claimant ("TfL"). As appears below, that dispute is currently the subject of judicial review proceedings which commenced last year and are yet to be determined.

The second defendant Addison Lee ("AL") operates a fleet of over 3,500 private hire vehicles ("PHVs") and 200 chauffeur driven Mercedes Benz and BMW cars. At almost five times the size of its nearest competitor, AL is Europe's largest private hire fleet. Mr Griffin is the founder and Chairman of AL which he established in 1975 as a private car hire business. The third defendant ("Eventech") is a wholly owned subsidiary of AL from which AL's self-employed drivers rent their vehicles.

The essence of the dispute appears from a notice (the "Notice") which was sent on or about 14 April 2012 by Mr Griffin on behalf of AL to its drivers in the following terms:

"Addison Lee Driver Notice

Dear Driver,

The director of Addison Lee plc believes that the current bus lane regulations, which allow London Black Cabs to use the bus lanes but prohibit private hire from doing so is illegal as it discriminates against Private Hire Operators and drivers who offer a competing taxi service.

We also believe that it denies the public freedom of choice as journey times in the bus lanes are much quicker that those outside the lanes.

Our legal advice in this matter is that bus lane requirements are currently being misinterpreted to exclude PHV's from bus lanes. Such misinterpretation is unlawful in the following respects.

a. It is in breach of European rules relating to the freedom of establishment and freedom to supply services.

b. It infringes the general EU principal of equal treatment.

c. It infringes the English common law principles of equality before the law.

d. It denies free and fair competition in providing an unfair advantage to one group of commercial operators over others.

Addison lee has sought and been granted a judicial review on this issue which is due to be heard by the end of the year. In the meantime Addison lee believes that we cannot allow our customer to continue to be victims of this unfair discriminatory treatment.

As chairman I can advise you that a lawful interpretation of the bus lane regulations entitles Addison lee drivers with private hire identifies to use all bus lanes in the same way as our competitors. Accordingly you are fully entitled to use the bus lanes.

We can confirm that entry into the bus lanes is not an endorsable offence and that we will indemnify all Addison lee drivers from any fines or other liabilities that may result from using the bus lanes as a result of this advice.

Should any conflict arise between yourself and any black taxi operator please be patient, make a note of any details and use your camera where possible.

Signed

John Griffin

Chairman, Addison Lee plc"


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:27 pm 
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Might as well put a 'Taxi' light on top and put a 1,000,000 lumen bulb inside it, FFS!!
Stopping be such a drama queen it doesn't look like a taxi at all, there's no light :lol:

And dressed to the 'nines' like that car is won't encourage the public to try to hire it on the street will it!!

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its only 2 months late :roll:

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