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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:11 am 
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Seems unlikely that a new Act would specify the actual fees to be charged - this would very probably be delegated to the SoS or whatever and secondary legislation or whatever would be all that was needed to change the level of fees, rather than amending the Act every time they were changed.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:37 am 
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So you now agree with Unite the Union.

That took you over a year to come round to their way of thinking!!


I think you'll find that has been my consistent line.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:24 am 
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Aint the fact that people are guessing a really bad thing?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:11 am 
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Thus an opportunity for you to impart your views and wisdom on the subject in your submission rather than sounding off on here?


If we didn't sound off on here the forum would be mighty quiet :?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:05 am 
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A better way to set fairs would be to have a national formula as apposed to actual fair. This way the fair could reflect local living costs. It would be easy to raise fairs and implement nationally, just stipulate that each authority does the numbers for an April 1st implementation.


what you lose on the swings you gain on the waltzers?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:14 am 
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captain cab wrote:
taxeman wrote:
A better way to set fairs would be to have a national formula as apposed to actual fair. This way the fair could reflect local living costs. It would be easy to raise fairs and implement nationally, just stipulate that each authority does the numbers for an April 1st implementation.


what you lose on the swings you gain on the waltzers?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:40 am 
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captain cab wrote:
taxeman wrote:
A better way to set fairs would be to have a national formula as apposed to actual fair. This way the fair could reflect local living costs. It would be easy to raise fairs and implement nationally, just stipulate that each authority does the numbers for an April 1st implementation.


what you lose on the swings you gain on the waltzers?


I presume you are referring to the ease of increase?

Are they not reviewed yearly now?

Happy to hear a better fairer way for it to be implemented.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:01 pm 
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taxeman wrote:

I presume you are referring to the ease of increase?

Are they not reviewed yearly now?

Happy to hear a better fairer way for it to be implemented.



I wasnt.....I was presuming you were on about fairs.....as opposed to fares? :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:28 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
taxeman wrote:

I presume you are referring to the ease of increase?

Are they not reviewed yearly now?

Happy to hear a better fairer way for it to be implemented.

I wasnt.....I was presuming you were on about fairs.....as opposed to fares? :wink:

Or licence(s) as against to license or licensing.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:46 pm 
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taxeman wrote:
A better way to set (fairs) fares would be to have a national formula as (apposed) opposed to actual (fair) fare. This way the (fair) fare could reflect local living costs. It would be easy to raise (fairs) fares and implement nationally, just stipulate that each authority does the numbers for an April 1st implementation.
Original post amended in red for the benefit of the pernickety pair CC and CtF

There already is such a fare increase formula and it's known as The Brighton Formula.

We use it in Brum and it involves using National Statistics Online to tailor fare applications to the average income in a given area, which NSO can supply. It also uses the Automobile Association website figures for fuel increases in your area, which are published monthly.

The formula is quite lenghthy to process but wothwhile. And councils can't really argue against it because of its simple logic.

But if you don't have the correct level of fare to start with, then it can be counter-productive, because you are building on your starting point fare and compounding any incorrectness year on year.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:02 pm 
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Good job it wasnt fayre :wink:

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If standards for ph are national and not allowed to be improved locally and fees are set at a national level with only the costs of enforcement allowed to vary then I think I might find out which area works out to be the cheapest by way of enforcement and licence myself there and work anywhere I god damn please. It seems to me that whilst we're all guessing what is meant by this and that nobody really knows, not even the LC

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If standards for ph are national and not allowed to be improved locally and fees are set at a national level with only the costs of enforcement allowed to vary then I think I might find out which area works out to be the cheapest by way of enforcement and licence myself there and work anywhere I god damn please. It seems to me that whilst we're all guessing what is meant by this and that nobody really knows, not even the LC



Thats a good point........

7. One of the reasons why Berwick have received numerous applications for licences from outside their area is undoubtedly the fact that the cost of the licence in Berwick- upon-Tweed is less than in many other areas including Newcastle upon Tyne. There may be other reasons as well relating to the conditions and bye laws imposed relating to the vehicles themselves. There is a danger, as was mooted in front of me, of Berwick becoming a national issuer of hackney carriage licences. Newcastle, by their application to this Court, sought a declaration that it was unlawful for Berwick to grant a hackney carriage licence to a proprietor where it was not satisfied that the vehicle, if licensed, would ply for hire in the area of Berwick together with certain other relief. However it seems to me that the issue before the Court is whether or not Berwick are right in their submission that they have no discretion, save as to fitness, but instead are obliged to keep granting licences for hackney carriages regardless of the intentions of, and geographic location of, the proprietors of those vehicles. The answer to this issue depends on the proper interpretation of section 37 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:34 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
taxeman wrote:
A better way to set (fairs) fares would be to have a national formula as (apposed) opposed to actual (fair) fare. This way the (fair) fare could reflect local living costs. It would be easy to raise (fairs) fares and implement nationally, just stipulate that each authority does the numbers for an April 1st implementation.
Original post amended in red for the benefit of the pernickety pair CC and CtF

There already is such a fare increase formula and it's known as The Brighton Formula.

We use it in Brum and it involves using National Statistics Online to tailor fare applications to the average income in a given area, which NSO can supply. It also uses the Automobile Association website figures for fuel increases in your area, which are published monthly.

The formula is quite lenghthy to process but wothwhile. And councils can't really argue against it because of its simple logic.

But if you don't have the correct level of fare to start with, then it can be counter-productive, because you are building on your starting point fare and compounding any incorrectness year on year.


Actually the Brighton Formula was taken from the London Formula...

I happen to suffer from dyslexia, :-({|= so fare, fair and Fayre can sometime be difficult to remember. Rather like were and where.

Whilst your in the mood to correct my errors...Its lengthy not lenghthy and worthwhile not wothwhile. Please don't use a full stop, followed by And, grammatically poor. \:D/

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:38 pm 
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toots wrote:
If standards for ph are national and not allowed to be improved locally and fees are set at a national level with only the costs of enforcement allowed to vary then I think I might find out which area works out to be the cheapest by way of enforcement and licence myself there and work anywhere I god damn please. It seems to me that whilst we're all guessing what is meant by this and that nobody really knows, not even the LC


Very good point =D>


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