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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:14 pm 
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What is the average? Do you know cos I don't :? For clarification only imo a basic standard is a passed mot for the vehicle and an ability to drive, a medical and enhaced CRB for the driver

I suppose an average could be surmised.

But it would need a national survey to assess.

I don't think the actual vehicle mechanical state is an issue, if it passes an MOT then it's safe, but the state of the interior and exterior of the vehicle will be the issue. Exterior dents/scratches/rust is my view of low standards, none of that is my view of high standards. Interior split seats, burns, smells, rips, cracks, dirt equals low, none of that equals high.

How they will be written in statute is a problem that will not be solved.

In relation to drivers, DSA tests, language and written skills, customers service/disability training, knowledge tests alongside a clean CRB and medical is good, none of that is s***.


The standards you write of are not basic are they :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:16 pm 
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The standards you write of are not basic are they :wink:


And they have little chance of being a national standard.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:17 pm 
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The standards you write of are not basic are they :wink:


And they have little chance of being a national standard.


My point entirely

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:20 pm 
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My point entirely



Do people seriously expect the LC or government will throw thousands of people out of work if they attempt to set standards that are too harsh?

People need a reality check.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:26 pm 
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My point entirely



Do people seriously expect the LC or government will throw thousands of people out of work if they attempt to set standards that are too harsh?

People need a reality check.


I'm sure that people will believe what they want to believe and if that is there will be decent standards then that is what they will believe, those same people will believe that higher standards will not put people out of work they will just improve working conditions for the driver and standards for the consumer

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:30 pm 
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I'm sure that people will believe what they want to believe and if that is there will be decent standards then that is what they will believe, those same people will believe that higher standards will not put people out of work they will just improve working conditions for the driver and standards for the consumer



Its based on the presumption the driver had a say in what is before us - patently they believe each driver wants to own his own cab (in the case of HC) - it also presumes the customer will be better off - presumably the free market of PH for the past 40 years has failed?

Indeed, the customer is barely mentioned in respect of the most important issues - yet standards are - which they fail to advise on.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:32 pm 
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I'm sure that people will believe what they want to believe and if that is there will be decent standards then that is what they will believe, those same people will believe that higher standards will not put people out of work they will just improve working conditions for the driver and standards for the consumer



Its based on the presumption the driver had a say in what is before us - patently they believe each driver wants to own his own cab (in the case of HC) - it also presumes the customer will be better off - presumably the free market of PH for the past 40 years has failed?

Indeed, the customer is barely mentioned in respect of the most important issues - yet standards are - which they fail to advise on.


They must have something in mind, why can't we just ask them?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:34 pm 
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They must have something in mind, why can't we just ask them?


They must surely see that the entire consultation depends on this issue.

I would suggest they didnt commit themselves because they know that their thoughts will either upset PH spivs for being too harsh.....or upset everyone else for being too soft!

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:37 pm 
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They must have something in mind, why can't we just ask them?


They must surely see that the entire consultation depends on this issue.

I would suggest they didnt commit themselves because they know that their thoughts will either upset PH spivs for being too harsh.....or upset everyone else for being too soft!


Well I still think they should be asked

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Well I still think they should be asked



I guess you like fudge

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Well I still think they should be asked



I guess you like fudge


It has it's uses :oops: On that note I'm going to make a cuppa :lol:

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Wobbly?

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:09 pm 
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Nah, tea. Got no alcohol :sad:

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:22 pm 
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In relation to drivers, DSA tests, language and written skills, customers service/disability training, knowledge tests alongside a clean CRB and medical is good, none of that is s***.

DSA tests should be limited to use as tool to reassess “Fit and Proper” status of driving offenders.

Language, by which I am sure you mean English Language should certainly be “Orally” of a good standard, but would you stop Dyslexics from working in the Trades? Written English is not a requirement.

The Driver who is “Savvy” will quickly realise that all customers are different and therefore need to be treated differently. This will make a an immediate increase in income if nothing else.

Disability Training – well I have never done any and I specialise in Wheelchairs. If you want to do it, do it. If you offend by refusing wheelchairs, again it can be used as a tool to see if you meet the criteria of being “Fit and Proper”.

The knowledge test is a must and should be onerous.

As to the CRB, anything irrelevant should be ignored. I also believe in rehabilitation for most things. The repentant sinner should stand the chance for absolution. I add the caveat that anything really serious – of the obvious things – should be treated differently.

Finally the medical, if your fit enough to drive, you are fit enough to drive! It makes no difference in a head on collision if the Taxi Driver is medically fit before the impact, if the car coming the other way contains someone driving in a Diabetic coma, it’s gonna hurt! If the Doctor says fit to drive, then end of conversation.

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captain cab wrote:

Indeed, the customer is barely mentioned in respect of the most important issues - yet standards are - which they fail to advise on.


On the contrary, the LC's approach seems to be that because the market works well with regard to PH then the consumer gets what they want.

I think that's a bit crude though, but that's the way they seem to be approaching it.

By the same token, they seem to think tougher taxi regulation is OK, because the market doesn't work so well in the streets.

But this also begs the question, why leave it to the current mish mash evident in the approach of LAs?

If the LC wants to substitute regulation for market forces then surely it should be more consistent? :-k


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