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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:32 pm 
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The thing I find quite frustrating is, that to my knowledge, there is no such thing as a national PH Drivers association and boy do they need one the way they are being sh*ted on!!

I have come back to this.... Private hire drivers cannot form associations or unions on most private hire companies... if they do... they are immediately dismissed..... and if the law commission has their way they will imprison them even more..... somebody said the law is supposed to be just..... But we all know of law is only just if you have money.....

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:09 am 
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The two main anti PH driver issues in the report are cross border and PH standards. Now I can't see the LC's PH standards thing happening, and lets face it the cross border issue is a nonsense, even if it helps raise standards.

Cross border issue appears to be staying; the LC guys at the Coventry Show saw nothing wrong with it, so will probably legislate to make it legal and acceptable.


As I pointed out to Mr RP when I discussed this with him, I would be able to find the cheapest LA to license my vehicle and myself and then go work wherever I pleased on a PH circuit and he didn't disagree, which I found quite alarming

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Sussex wrote:
The two main anti PH driver issues in the report are cross border and PH standards. Now I can't see the LC's PH standards thing happening, and lets face it the cross border issue is a nonsense, even if it helps raise standards.

Cross border issue appears to be staying; the LC guys at the Coventry Show saw nothing wrong with it, so will probably legislate to make it legal and acceptable.


As I pointed out to Mr RP when I discussed this with him, I would be able to find the cheapest LA to license my vehicle and myself and then go work wherever I pleased on a PH circuit and he didn't disagree, which I found quite alarming


Isn't the LC's proposal to make fees uniform to avoid shopping around, and of course the PH standard would be the same everywhere?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:43 am 
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Isn't the LC's proposal to make fees uniform to avoid shopping around, and of course the PH standard would be the same everywhere?


You'd think so wouldn't you, til they mention the enforcement issue and also that would be uniform on scale :wink:

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Really have never seen the problem with cross border hirings. If someone takes you there, then no reason why they can't bring you back. Think the real problem is the undercutting I bet.

The number of "out of town" hackneys working as private hire in oxford is beginning to mushroom. They haven't passed a local knowledge test, they're post code drivers, ask them to take you to Balliol College, they've no idea where it is. If you want to work in a specific area, you should be licensed by that area, if not work in your own.

Hell I could take my Oxford Cab to London and go work as PH for someone.


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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:16 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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The two main anti PH driver issues in the report are cross border and PH standards. Now I can't see the LC's PH standards thing happening, and lets face it the cross border issue is a nonsense, even if it helps raise standards.

Cross border issue appears to be staying; the LC guys at the Coventry Show saw nothing wrong with it, so will probably legislate to make it legal and acceptable.

As I pointed out to Mr RP when I discussed this with him, I would be able to find the cheapest LA to license my vehicle and myself and then go work wherever I pleased on a PH circuit and he didn't disagree, which I found quite alarming

I believe their thinking is, if they are going to allow PH to be licensed anywhere and work anywhere, which is their current thinking, then why shouldn't HC be allowed to do the same for pre-bookings only, but not for plying the streets.

Although alarming as you say, there is some follow on logic, but no initial logic in that train of thought.

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:18 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Cross border issue appears to be staying; the LC guys at the Coventry Show saw nothing wrong with it, so will probably legislate to make it legal and acceptable.

As I pointed out to Mr RP when I discussed this with him, I would be able to find the cheapest LA to license my vehicle and myself and then go work wherever I pleased on a PH circuit and he didn't disagree, which I found quite alarming

Isn't the LC's proposal to make fees uniform to avoid shopping around, and of course the PH standard would be the same everywhere?

That's as may be, but the honeypot syndrome will still prevail.

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Hell I could take my Oxford Cab to London and go work as PH for someone.

And that is the bottom line.

And as I keep saying, 'If it's good enough for London, then it should be good enough for the rest of the country'.

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:14 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
That's as may be, but the honeypot syndrome will still prevail.


The laws of supply and demand will operate, if that's what you mean.

The problem as I've always seen it is that LA borders or zones are for local government administration purposes, not for the regulation of local taxi markets.

So some LAs could possibly be larger as regards cab licensing, while some could do with being smaller, ie zoned.

If they got that right then there'd be less need for cross-border stuff, thus less need to make it a free-for-all.

But of course since the LC's thinking is premised on the existing LA set up then to that extent it's all a bit too messy boundary-wise, so best to get rid of them, they seem to be thinking.


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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:44 pm 
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187ums wrote:
Really have never seen the problem with cross border hirings. If someone takes you there, then no reason why they can't bring you back. Think the real problem is the undercutting I bet.

That's never been the issue IMO, as you say if a punter wants to book a non-local firm then so be it.

The issue is vehicles licensing in a low standards area and being given work by operators in a high standards area, to the detriment of those vehicles that have met those high standards.

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
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Exactly what I'm saying, standards set by Oxford city council are higher than south Oxfordshire, vale of white horse, west Oxfordshire and now we even have "hackneys" from Wycombe working here as private hire for 001.

001 in turn have set up "virtual offices" in those areas, yet don't even operate there. So in essence they don't have local knowledge, also thier "cabs" don't have the tariff as set by thier licensing authority, they have the local 001 ph tariff.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:11 pm 
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Exactly what I'm saying, standards set by Oxford city council are higher than south Oxfordshire, vale of white horse, west Oxfordshire and now we even have "hackneys" from Wycombe working here as private hire for 001.

001 in turn have set up "virtual offices" in those areas, yet don't even operate there. So in essence they don't have local knowledge, also thier "cabs" don't have the tariff as set by thier licensing authority, they have the local 001 ph tariff.

It must be very confusing for the general public to know what they're paying... and if it is the right price
and who do they complain to, if it is wrong?

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
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All because of that case up north MR T, very confusing indeed


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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:55 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I believe their thinking is, if they are going to allow PH to be licensed anywhere and work anywhere, which is their current thinking, then why shouldn't HC be allowed to do the same for pre-bookings only, but not for plying the streets.


Well I hope they have the enforcement to back the mad scheme up otherwise there'll be taxis from all over the place plying for hire :roll: Not to mention the ph that will ply for hire as well

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:35 pm 
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The issue is vehicles licensing in a low standards area and being given work by operators in a high standards area, to the detriment of those vehicles that have met those high standards.

Exactly.

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