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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:28 am 
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skull ..... everyone has the right to the freedom of thought, and the right to their opinions, and they have the right to express them, they also have the right to vote, which I totally agree with, my opinion is obviously different to some, but I still have the right to my opinion, if I wanted to take advantage of people I wouldn't express to the trade on how to take their views forward, I wouldn't tell them to learn the systems, as this would educate the opposition, as for fame, I will leave that to you, it's not something that is important to me, try the stuff from Jamaica....


Amazing Trevor, all those freedoms, thoughts and opinions with the view to take the trade forward but it never really happens. I wonder why that is. Could it be that as a taxi driver you simply don't matter and you lack the intelligence to know any better? I know from personal experience you don't have any rights or proper representation, only a bunch of Uncle Tom's/committeemen wallowing in their own self- importance while lining their pockets.

It's actually strange to watch people actively working against their own interests, trying to drag each other down but failing to realise they are only dragging themselves down. :?

You made the smart move Trevor. You were a mechanic, and they needed your services, and then you played them to your advantage. I take my hat off to you. :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:21 pm 
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Voting is simply an endorsement that the system in its present form, works. It changes nothing. Think about the Arab Spring and how the people woke-up and took to the streets in a bid to bring “Democracy” to the people. Unfortunately, what they are about to learn is that giving something a name like, “Democracy” and allowing people to vote, doesn't make it so.

When you vote for politicians or political parties, you vote for a system. If the mechanism is not in place to deliver what is in the public interest, you don't have a Democracy, what you have is an elected dictatorship.

Politicians are merely puppets put there by the system to present the public with the illusion of choice, while keeping the public in check. What you are really voting for is a political class that represents its own interests and that of big business.


If you don't vote, nobody really notices or gives a sh*t. It may keep you warm at night but it's a pointless gesture.

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Oh and Gusmac, the reason I don't vote, is because sheeple like you do. Real change almost always comes as a consequence of social education upheaval and disorder. And that only happens when people wake-up to the fact the system doesn't work in their interests, and they are being screwed over.


Aren't you contradicting yourself here? According to your previous statement, social upheaval and disorder doesn't seem to have done much for the Arab Spring protesters.
Maybe they should have just sat at home, refusing to vote and taking it up the jacksy?

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A refusal to vote is every bit a political statement as voting. You are happy to vote and accept their elected diktat and that nothing will change. I am not. This country doesn't need more sheeple going to the polls.


Like I said, pointless tokenism.
If you're waiting for the Great British public to wake up and do a Brit Spring, your going to be waiting a long long time.
Even then you're likely to be disappointed. :shock:

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It needs people who can think for themselves. :-|


So long as they come to the same conclusion as you? Otherwise they are just sheeple eh?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:25 pm 
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If you don't vote, nobody really notices or gives a sh*t. It may keep you warm at night but it's a pointless gesture.


Nonsense, you give your endorsement to the political system. I choose not to as I see no point in voting for no change. The only real way to force change is by informing oneself and educating others and taking direct action, if necessary. I agree. It might have a long way to go but the collapse of the monetary system, and the Internet could change things very quickly indeed.


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Aren't you contradicting yourself here? According to your previous statement, social upheaval and disorder doesn't seem to have done much for the Arab Spring protesters.
Maybe they should have just sat at home, refusing to vote and taking it up the jacksy?



No. The Arab spring gives them a chance to put in a system that actually delivers democracy and not the pale imitation we operate. It's really down to the people educating themselves as to what a real democracy should mean, and putting in the political mechanism to deliver it.


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Like I said, pointless tokenism.
If you're waiting for the Great British public to wake up and do a Brit Spring, your going to be waiting a long long time.
Even then you're likely to be disappointed.


So the above, is your reason to remain ignorant of why the system fails to act in the public interest, and to vote for it anyway. It seems like you have no clue as to why you vote. It's a bit like being shaken out of your slumber and then going back to sleep.

You might see it as tokenism, but at least it's not, ignorant tokenism. I know why I don't vote, but you vote for a political system that means it's business as usual for your owners.

Okay Gusmac, as a voter you'll be able to tell my why the political class, or the system as a whole, will never allow direct accountability to the electorate they are supposed to represent?

Bottom up public accountability to top-down political power structures, exactly how a democracy should work. :-|


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:02 pm 
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If you don't vote, nobody really notices or gives a sh*t. It may keep you warm at night but it's a pointless gesture.


Nonsense, you give your endorsement to the political system. I choose not to as I see no point in voting for no change. The only real way to force change is by informing oneself and educating others and taking direct action, if necessary.


I vote for change.
You just don't vote and nobody bar you even notices.

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I agree. It might have a long way to go but the collapse of the monetary system, and the Internet could change things very quickly indeed.


Yeah, and I might get elected Pope.

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Aren't you contradicting yourself here? According to your previous statement, social upheaval and disorder doesn't seem to have done much for the Arab Spring protesters.
Maybe they should have just sat at home, refusing to vote and taking it up the jacksy?


No. The Arab spring gives them a chance to put in a system that actually delivers democracy and not the pale imitation we operate. It's really down to the people educating themselves as to what a real democracy should mean, and putting in the political mechanism to deliver it.

Independence offers the same to the people of Scotland. Whether they take the opportunity or sit at home doing nothing is up to them.

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Like I said, pointless tokenism.
If you're waiting for the Great British public to wake up and do a Brit Spring, your going to be waiting a long long time.
Even then you're likely to be disappointed.


So the above, is your reason to remain ignorant of why the system fails to act in the public interest, and to vote for it anyway. It seems like you have no clue as to why you vote. It's a bit like being shaken out of your slumber and then going back to sleep.


I know why I vote skull and it's not just to prop up an ailing system.
I also know that it would be easier to get 5 million of my fellow Scots to change the system than to wait for 60 million Brits to do it for us.

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You might see it as tokenism, but at least it's not, ignorant tokenism. I know why I don't vote, but you vote for a political system that means it's business as usual for your owners.

It is ignorant tokenism skull. A token gesture which you seem to think counts for something. In reality, it means zilch.
The system just ignores you and moves on.

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Okay Gusmac, as a voter you'll be able to tell my why the political class, or the system as a whole, will never allow direct accountability to the electorate they are supposed to represent?

Bottom up public accountability to top-down political power structures, exactly how a democracy should work. :-|


It's your opinion, skull. You tell me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:16 pm 
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If you don't vote, nobody really notices or gives a sh*t. It may keep you warm at night but it's a pointless gesture.


Nonsense, you give your endorsement to the political system. I choose not to as I see no point in voting for no change. The only real way to force change is by informing oneself and educating others and taking direct action, if necessary.


I vote for change.
You just don't vote and nobody bar you even notices.

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I agree. It might have a long way to go but the collapse of the monetary system, and the Internet could change things very quickly indeed.


Yeah, and I might get elected Pope.

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Aren't you contradicting yourself here? According to your previous statement, social upheaval and disorder doesn't seem to have done much for the Arab Spring protesters.
Maybe they should have just sat at home, refusing to vote and taking it up the jacksy?


No. The Arab spring gives them a chance to put in a system that actually delivers democracy and not the pale imitation we operate. It's really down to the people educating themselves as to what a real democracy should mean, and putting in the political mechanism to deliver it.

Independence offers the same to the people of Scotland. Whether they take the opportunity or sit at home doing nothing is up to them.

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Like I said, pointless tokenism.
If you're waiting for the Great British public to wake up and do a Brit Spring, your going to be waiting a long long time.
Even then you're likely to be disappointed.


So the above, is your reason to remain ignorant of why the system fails to act in the public interest, and to vote for it anyway. It seems like you have no clue as to why you vote. It's a bit like being shaken out of your slumber and then going back to sleep.


I know why I vote skull and it's not just to prop up an ailing system.
I also know that it would be easier to get 5 million of my fellow Scots to change the system than to wait for 60 million Brits to do it for us.

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You might see it as tokenism, but at least it's not, ignorant tokenism. I know why I don't vote, but you vote for a political system that means it's business as usual for your owners.

It is ignorant tokenism skull. A token gesture which you seem to think counts for something. In reality, it means zilch.
The system just ignores you and moves on.

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Okay Gusmac, as a voter you'll be able to tell my why the political class, or the system as a whole, will never allow direct accountability to the electorate they are supposed to represent?

Bottom up public accountability to top-down political power structures, exactly how a democracy should work. :-|


It's your opinion, skull. You tell me.


Direct accountability would mean the political class being forced to act in the interests of their electorate and if that happened, their big-business buddies would disown them. As our interest would come first before theirs.

Power of the people by the people...

And that's no opinion Gusmac. It's a fact. :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:18 pm 
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Direct accountability would mean the political class being forced to act in the interests of their electorate and if that happened, their big-business buddies would disown them. As our interest would come first before theirs.

Power of the people by the people...

And that's no opinion Gusmac. It's a fact. :wink:[/quote]


That one is hard not to agree with tbh.


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I vote for change.
You just don't vote and nobody bar you even notices.

No Gusmac, your vote only means business as usual.

Independence offers the same to the people of Scotland. Whether they take the opportunity or sit at home doing nothing is up to them.


Independence offers the same to the people of Scotland as the Arab Spring. Are you on drugs? Independence means same old [edited by admin] different day, the new boss same as the old boss but with a Scottish accent.

You don't really believe that Alec Salmond or any of the rest of the SNP, are going to put your interests before their own and that of big business. Alec Salmond knows where his interests are best served, and it has nothing to do with the man in the street.

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I know why I vote skull and it's not just to prop up an ailing system.
I also know that it would be easier to get 5 million of my fellow Scots to change the system than to wait for 60 million Brits to do it for us.

No one's changing any system Gusmac, as I told you before, it's not in their interests. Their big-business buddies would disown them. Wee Eck would be replaced pretty sharpish.

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It is ignorant tokenism skull. A token gesture which you seem to think counts for something. In reality, it means zilch.
The system just ignores you and moves on.

Is that right, well the way I see it, is you can wake-up to how the system really works, or go back to sleep with the rest of the little tartan people?

Then when nothing changes or things get even worse, at least you'll know why your dream of independence has turned into a nightmare, and you heard it here first.

The only thing you vote will achieve is Alec Salmond's promotion to the premier league of British politics. He might not represent your interests but Alec, and his big-business chums will be eternally grateful for your support. #-o #-o #-o


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:23 pm 
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Direct accountability would mean the political class being forced to act in the interests of their electorate and if that happened, their big-business buddies would disown them. As our interest would come first before theirs.

Power of the people by the people...

And that's no opinion Gusmac. It's a fact. :wink:[/quote]

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That one is hard not to agree with tbh.[/quote]



Do you think Gusmac, will accept the above as fact, or is it only my opinion? #-o


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:46 pm 
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Skull wrote:

Direct accountability would mean the political class being forced to act in the interests of their electorate and if that happened, their big-business buddies would disown them. As our interest would come first before theirs.

Power of the people by the people...

And that's no opinion Gusmac. It's a fact. :wink:


If it happened, then I'd say you're probably right.
But that's a big IF. It's not going to happen anytime soon, no matter how much you want it to.

In fact I'd be hard pressed to think of anywhere it ever has.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:22 am 
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No Gusmac, your vote only means business as usual.

Do you suppose for one second that the people in Downing Street or Holyrood lie awake at nights bricking it because the skull didn't vote?
Your non vote means bugger all. Nothing, zilch, zip, big fat zero. Nobody gives a flying fkuk. Get it?

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Independence offers the same to the people of Scotland as the Arab Spring. Are you on drugs? Independence means same old [edited by admin] different day, the new boss same as the old boss but with a Scottish accent.

You're the one on drugs, methinks. What have these arab countries actually achieved? Swapped one tinpot dictator for a another or a council of tinpot dictators or a bunch of religous cranks? At best they will get a democracy like ours, and I think you've made it pretty clear what you think of that.

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You don't really believe that Alec Salmond or any of the rest of the SNP, are going to put your interests before their own and that of big business. Alec Salmond knows where his interests are best served, and it has nothing to do with the man in the street.


Why the Alec Salmond hang up? The gospel according to skull states that all politicians are scum. What makes him so threatening to you?


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No one's changing any system Gusmac, as I told you before, it's not in their interests. Their big-business buddies would disown them. Wee Eck would be replaced pretty sharpish.

Your opinion, not mine.

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Is that right, well the way I see it, is you can wake-up to how the system really works, or go back to sleep with the rest of the little tartan people?

Then when nothing changes or things get even worse, at least you'll know why your dream of independence has turned into a nightmare, and you heard it here first.

Left to you and your anarchist mates, fek all will ever change skull. You'll always be the victim, because that's the way you like it. And you heard that here first.

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The only thing you vote will achieve is Alec Salmond's promotion to the premier league of British politics. He might not represent your interests but Alec, and his big-business chums will be eternally grateful for your support. #-o #-o #-o

Likewise Cameron and Milliband will thank you for not voting to change their happy playground.

Now take a hint, i'm done listening to your OTT, biased, inaccurate and contradictory crap.
You lost your badge and you didn't get a plate. You blame the SNP for that, the rest is just bullshit.
You are a bitter and twisted man with an axe to grind. Get over it and get a job.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:26 am 
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Direct accountability would mean the political class being forced to act in the interests of their electorate and if that happened, their big-business buddies would disown them. As our interest would come first before theirs.

Power of the people by the people...

And that's no opinion Gusmac. It's a fact. :wink:



That one is hard not to agree with tbh.


Since skull seems unable to tell us, maybe you know of a goverment like this anywhere?

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Right, here's a prediction for you Gusmac, in a few months we'll have more quantitative easing, it'll be, party hats and streamers for a short period, with the Government telling everyone the economy is on the mend. Then everything will once again, start spiraling downward, as hyper inflation takes hold and food and oil prices go through the roof... :-|

If fear, then grips the financial markets it could be, game over, by the end of 2012, how things will look is anyone's guess, but it won't be pretty. #-o


A bit sooner than I though :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-1844 ... in-content

I suppose by now everyone knows where this QE, money is coming from. #-o


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I don't particularly like this guy, wise after the fact, so to speak, but I have a sneaking suspicion he has a point.

The Euro Titanic Has Hit The Iceberg!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRp7FSJVw4w


We are going down boys and new QE. Measures aren't going to help. It's only money out of your pocket anyway. #-o


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May you live in interesting times: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Skull you get nothing better ta dee than sit on your backside and go through you-tube. You need ta get a life

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