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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:18 pm 
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sasha wrote:
Our last rise, the first for 4 years was just 10p extra per mile. However the meters only go up in units of 20p so any journey less than two miles costs the same as before the rise.
Unfortunately I'd say only 5% of journeys are two miles or over and 50% go less than a mile ! Even so the rise only covers the same increase in fuel so no rise in profit at all.


But if your yardage on each 20p increment has decreased then some of the shorter trips will show an increase, while others won't.

Roughly speaking, half your trips of around a mile should clock in at 20p more, while the other half won't increase, so your average increase for a trip of around a mile or so should be 10p.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:23 pm 
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Yep, the yardage has been decreased which gives the extra 10p per mile. But as I said the meters only go up in 20p increments, so you do 1 mile and even though there's an extra 10p it won't show on the meter, you do 2 miles and it's 20p more than before the rise.

Because of the way the yardage and the distance covered by flagdrop are calculated it works out at 10p extra per mile up to 2 miles (but only shows as 20p more at the 2 mile mark) but after 2 miles it works out at 20p p/m more.

Perhaps I should have said journeys less than 2 miles - no change, then an extra 20p at the 2 mile mark and 20p a mile thereafter.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:50 pm 
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But if your yardages have been decreased then while on some shorter trips the meter will show the same, on some of them it'll click up earlier.

So while all jobs over a certain distance will show an increase, some of the shorter ones will also show an increase.

Basically, the shorter the journey the less likely it is to show an increase, but the longer it is the more likely it is to click up earlier.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:53 am 
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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
grandad wrote:
The published tariff was in the paper as,
For the first 1/3 mile (increase of 28p over the whole journey)
Nobody spotted that they had put 1/3 and not .3 all anyone looked at was the "increase of 28p over the whole journey".

And the minutes?

Good point, I will see if I can get a copy. :wink:

And what about the other minutes, the ones on the taximeter?

What is your waiting time charge now and what was it before the new increase?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:54 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
And what about the other minutes, the ones on the taximeter?

What is your waiting time charge now and what was it before the new increase?

No change to anything other than the distance for the flagfall.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:54 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
So while all jobs over a certain distance will show an increase, some of the shorter ones will also show an increase.

Basically, the shorter the journey the less likely it is to show an increase, but the longer it is the more likely it is to click up earlier.

I don't know how it works out like it does - all I know is that less than 2 miles there's no difference.
What I can tell you is the old rate worked out at £2.20p/m and the new one £2.30.

Don't know offhand the flagdrop distance or the yardage at which the meter clicks over (I'll check and get back to you) but I know the yardage was reduced by 12 yards.

So roughly speaking at the old rate the meter clicked over 11 times per mile, at the new rate it still clicks over 11 times because until all those 12 yards less add up to the yardage per 20p it won't change, and you can't divide £2.30 by 20p. Basically for every 12'ish times the meter clicked over at the old rate it now does it 13 times.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:54 pm 
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But surely it's still clicking up earlier than it was previously?

For example, if it was clicking up at 200 yard previously and the yardage has been reduced by 12 yards then it'll be clicking up at 188 yards under the new tariff.

So if you now travel 150 yards (say) after the last click then there'll be no difference on the meter, but if you travel 195 yards then you'll get an extra 20p for the same job \:D/

So clearly most jobs won't show a difference, but a small proportion do.

And as you go further you're more likely to get the click up.

For example, five clicks on the old tariff would require travelling 1,000 yards, but only 940 yards (5 x 188) under the new tariff.

So trips covering 1,000 yards previously to click up a pound would only need to go 940 yards to click up a pound.

Of course, anything between the four clicks previously (ie 800 yards) and the new five clicks (940 yards) would still be on the four clicks, so you'd still only get the 80p.

So basically on the old tarrif, between 800 yards and 1,000 yards you'd get 80p, but on the new tariff that window would be between 752 yards and 940 yards. Of course, most trips would still end in the overlap between the new and old window (ie 800 to 940 yards) so would just show the same on the meter.

Of course, once you've done a certain amount of clicks then the overlap disappears and thus ALL trips will of that length will be clicking up earlier.

At least I think that's how it works :-k

But in simple terms, if the yardage is decreased then the further you go the more likely it is to click up earlier.

On shorter trips it won't click up earlier very often, but the further you go the more likely it is to click up.

Put it another way, if you get a 10p per mile increase then you don't have to travel the mile to get an increase, even if your meter clicks up in 10p increments, because sometimes it will click over earlier and sometimes it won't.

So roughly speaking, if you travel half a mile then half the time you'll get the 10p, whereas the rest of the time you'll get nothing extra.

So your average increase for the half mile or so is 5p, which equates to 10p per mile.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:26 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
But surely it's still clicking up earlier than it was previously?

For example, if it was clicking up at 200 yard previously and the yardage has been reduced by 12 yards then it'll be clicking up at 188 yards under the new tariff.

So if you now travel 150 yards (say) after the last click then there'll be no difference on the meter, but if you travel 195 yards then you'll get an extra 20p for the same job \:D/

So clearly most jobs won't show a difference, but a small proportion do.

And as you go further you're more likely to get the click up.

For example, five clicks on the old tariff would require travelling 1,000 yards, but only 940 yards (5 x 188) under the new tariff.

So trips covering 1,000 yards previously to click up a pound would only need to go 940 yards to click up a pound.

Of course, anything between the four clicks previously (ie 800 yards) and the new five clicks (940 yards) would still be on the four clicks, so you'd still only get the 80p.

So basically on the old tarrif, between 800 yards and 1,000 yards you'd get 80p, but on the new tariff that window would be between 752 yards and 940 yards. Of course, most trips would still end in the overlap between the new and old window (ie 800 to 940 yards) so would just show the same on the meter.

Of course, once you've done a certain amount of clicks then the overlap disappears and thus ALL trips will of that length will be clicking up earlier.

At least I think that's how it works :-k

But in simple terms, if the yardage is decreased then the further you go the more likely it is to click up earlier.

On shorter trips it won't click up earlier very often, but the further you go the more likely it is to click up.

Put it another way, if you get a 10p per mile increase then you don't have to travel the mile to get an increase, even if your meter clicks up in 10p increments, because sometimes it will click over earlier and sometimes it won't.

So roughly speaking, if you travel half a mile then half the time you'll get the 10p, whereas the rest of the time you'll get nothing extra.

So your average increase for the half mile or so is 5p, which equates to 10p per mile.

Meters charge for the yardage you are going to use.

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Grandad ever thought of YOU paying the passengers fare you cant be far off of it NOW bleedin morons where are you BEDLAM??? :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:15 pm 
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Dusty you are correct, the greater the distance the bigger the increase - but you have to complete 2 miles before it kicks in.

For the first mile there's no increase at all because the flagdrop covers the first 300 yards or so, for just under the second mile it would be an extra 10p if the meters went up in 10p increments. But at just over 2 miles the first 20p increase comes into effect and then 20p every click at the new reduced yardage. I think the confusion is due to the fact we're looking at it from a complete mile covered rather than the yardage, so if you look at the cost for travelling 1 mile in isolation it is £2.30 but when you split the yardage over several miles it works out more.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:20 pm 
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sasha wrote:
For the first mile there's no increase at all because the flagdrop covers the first 300 yards or so,

If the flag drop is for the first 0.3 of a mile, then it should cover 528 yards.

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