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Make that the whole tournament!!

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Rooney should never have been allowed to walk straight into the team after suspemsion.

It disrespects other team members and he was nowhere near match fit.

He should have been brought on gradually as a substitute in games 3 and 4.

I would have kept Carroll and Welbeck up front throughout the tournament, dropped Young [too light-weight] and Milner [not on his game] and played the OX and Walcott. They were the form players.

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Thats a little harsh he did in the Ukraine game I think the line up wasn't right later in the game once Andy carroll was on England seemed to be unable to penetrate the Italian defence I think Oxlade Chamberlain with Walcott and Welbeck towards the end of the game would have tested the Italian defence far more.

BUT up to the point Ashley Young hit the crossbar with his penalty we had a chance that took the pressure off the Italians and they went on to win the shootout

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I am definitely no England supporter but I dont think they did too bad the defence was excellent there was determination which is not always the case with England but ffs if your relying on Walcott your mad hes gutless talentless bleedin useless [this from a gunners supporter] given the lack of true quality in the squad it was a good effort.

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Ok the Doom report

Having watched all 120 mins and the penalties this is my round up

First thing was there was something not right with Gerrard, he was hardly seen and I suspect he was playing with injections for pain relief or it was simply too many games in the heat in too short a time,

Milner lacked the touches he showed earlier in the competition and the ball simply wouldn't run for him,

Walcott by the time he got on the pitch was not getting the ball often enough,

Terry was as usual Terry,

Young had a bad game as did Johnson and Cole,

Carroll received and held the ball really well but his distribution was off and wasn't really served very well,

Rooney had no service at all, everything he did was created by himself,

Welbeck played very well, getting back as well as going forward, as did Lescott and Parker,


Basically there was no engine, the first 20 minutes of the game were probably the best minutes of the game, if you'd been an Italy fan and they had lost you could be let off for feeling cheated, however the Italy team as foreign teams always seem to constantly had hold of an England shirt at all times, and as usual many of the Italian's were also practicing for a part in Band of Brother's 2, Joe Hart did very well until the shoot out, all that face pulling and bar macho stuff he was doing to put them off simply made him look like a tw4t,

Overall I think they did up proud over there, I thought we were going all the way this time, sadly not to be, but for a new manager with a team of new faces they did really well overall.

They did us proud??????? The games England have played have been the most boring games I've ever watched in my entire life, calling them shit would be kind to them.

They need to get rid of the £150K a week prima donna premiership players and look into the Championship for players who will give 200% everytime.

Thing is, if you play Third Division long-ball football against world-class defenders you lose - simples.

As for the manager, he's about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.

Oh dear, here we go again, they didn't play like a Pele led Brazilian team so they are [edited by admin], perhaps a few season's of being a Wales fan or a NI fan might give you an idea, they played for 120 minutes last night against a team that was well laid out in all dept's, they didn't let any goals in and although it wasn't a flair game they still didn't cave in and get beat, Roy hasn't actually lost a game yet in normal time, that's basically 6 unbeaten, and no England team is going to win anything playing the way you desire, Kev Keegan tried that and got beat, we'd all love to watch flowing attacking footy but it doesn't win much playing that way, did you not notice how many times Rooney was dragged by the shirt to the floor in the box?

I am with Nidge on this one.

At half time I has Milner and Rooney down for being substituted. If I remember correctly, Hodgson claimed Rooney (in training) was looking sharp,fit, and raring to go - so what went wrong? He was as lifeless as a wet sponge and quite frankly I would not pay him in washers - another player just like Giggs who can only turn it on for his own team because the tactics and formation suit them. Many players fail at another club because they are not as talented as one is led to believe - and Rooney at international level is not quite cutting it.



I am all for the positives but do not bring Wales and NI into it - they have very small populations whereas England have approx 50 million to choose from. The problem as ever is the choice of manager - most managers can set a team up to not lose, and that is all Hodgson did. Contrary to your claim that flowing football doesn't win much then you have not been watching Spain (the world champs).

This is positively the worst tactics and use of some talented players that I have ever seen from an England manager, (yes I remember Erickson - what a d i c k). They tried to pass it around like the Spaniards but had neither the tempo or the skill - on that basis he should have been playing to their strengths - wingers, with Defoe, and Carroll up front in the middle of the park, Rooney, Milner and Gerrard following up - plenty of goals to come from that lot.

The only players imho to come away from that game with any credit were Terry, Lescott, Parker, and Cole, on the day Hart did not inspire me one little bit. As for the manager - if that is the best that Hodgson can do then the England supporters are going to be very disappointed unless they enjoy the Italian style football that is dated from the 60s/70s that he is trying to get them to play.

Do not grasp at straws, as this as a tournament for England was totally pants, with people still making excuses. Remember the best side you ever had was the world cup side of 1970 (better than the 1966 side) and that is your yardstick - accept nothing less.

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Sorry John but you're talking bollox mate,

For a start my comment was about the last 4 games not just last night,

As for Wales having a small population, does that mean it's not possible for at least 20 Welshmen to be able to play good football?

I had this with the immigrants the other day, 4M in their country, can't find 20 men who can make a team up that can win, and as for Giggs, he is probably one of the finest footballer these islands have produced, but there again he is really English anyway

Oi listen up because I referred to....... your comment was




We do have a bit of a problem with that one................as you do from a population of 50 million




Cream will always find its way to the top................Giggs rarely done it for Wales - another one who can only play for Man Utd. Over the years I have seen players who have been in mediocre teams stand out like a shining light - unfortunately that does not apply to Giggs, he can only play well when he has good players around him.

He is a far from honest player as he is in life - if he had half of the heart of Beckham, he would have surpassed the 100 cap stage by a country mile - but he did not.

P.S. You could be right about him being English......................absolutely no heart

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Yer out get over it lack of quality did for you!!

usually its lack of bottle!

out thought out played OUT!!

on the way home another glorious defeat ha ha ha ha

the greatest ever MARADONNA when did England ever produce anyone fit to lace his boots?????

Best keeper ever Jack Kelsey the welsh international absolutely brilliant you see the welsh can do it

Best I ever watched George Best followed by Thierry Henry fantastic

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Sorry John, you just showed you don't really know the game very well,

1 million or 200 million, whats the difference when you need 20 ppl who can kick it properly, if there aren't 20 Welshmen that can play football then it isn't the lack of population it's the as you put it lack of heart,

A match doesn't always produce end to end good to watch football, it's what the result is at the end of the day, if you were solid and didn't ship goals it doesn't mean you were rubbish, like I said if you watch closely you will see the Italy team constantly holding shirts, one even wrenched Rooney to the floor in the area from a corner but nothing was awarded because the ball wasn't anywhere near at the time (it's in the second half btw if you want to look for it)

Giggs is a prime example of how you missed the point, you say he's great for Man Utd and not so hot for Wales, could that be that Man Utd have players behind him who can put the ball to him and Wales cannot though, see another mistake the uneducated supporter makes is he judges a striker on goals alone, but a good striker is only as good as the midfield behind him, if Mc Cloooless is playing a ball that never reaches the striker how can the striker score from it when it's ending up bt the corner flag when he's expecting it at least in line with the 18 yr box, and lets face it Giggs is still at the top, Becks isn't, he's doing what retired cops do, rentaball,

Now, lets hear no more about it, England qualified and got to the quarter's and only went out on penalties, Tucktackystan etc didn't get anywhere, so who really played badly?

I think you need to wise up - mathematics/numbers will demonstrate the bigger the choice that you have in all sports show that the bigger/larger populated nations dominate most sports - a fact of life old chap.



You are just NOT reading the posts are you?

Going back some years a wonderful player called "John Charles" (Welsh by the way - right the way through his heart) - would stand out like a light house on a dark crappy night - he was sheer class in a Welsh side. There are players that make a side, players that give that side a lift - he was one of those players - without that player they are very ordinary sides, Wales with Giggs in the side remained very ordinary. Under Gary Speed Wales were playing very well without Giggs!!!!, as a pro for nearly 20 years Giggs amassed 64 caps - how poor is that, as I/you said - he must be English - no heart.

Anyway as you need educating sack your manager NOW, as it will save us the same argument in another 2 years - he is not up to it.



1) The manager carries the can - he will have been in-touch with the English Premiership and all of its players - so NO bolloxs about only having a couple of weeks/months to prepare - they had 4YEARS just like every body else.

2) Rooney for me was as disappointing as disappointing gets.

3) Not happy about Milner.

4) The rest was basically down to NOT playing to the actual PLAYERS strengths. Why did Hodgson think that they could play a passing game as it is obvious that the players (English players) have NEVER collectively had the necessary ball skills.

5) The England panel who choose their manager - should also go as they have shown time and time again that they do not have a clue.

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I think it was ok, as we never lost a game.

And the paddys never won one.

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Nope, not avin it,

Rooney got no service, the reason he got no service is because Gerrard was obviously not match fit,

Can you tell me who should be England manager, not that twitchy t*** that bankrupts every club he goes to surely? whose success is due to having a 40 man squad of foreign international's, Hodge was a good choice, he had limited time to assemble and bond a squad, he had the balls to change it about and still made the quarters, he unlike other's didn't leave the youngsters out, Milner was poor last night but against France I thought he looked very good,

Now this strength in numbers thing, are you telling me out of the population of Wales you can't find a squad of 30 good players, nevermind the millions bit, 30 ppl who can play football, I'd expect to dig out 30 good ones in London let alone a country,

Giggs, Speed left him out because he was ageing, iirc Giggs actually retired and was asked back in again, when Giggs was young Wales had absolutely nothing to play with him, John Charles came from another era, you can't compare the two, John Charles played when players still got lashed up on a friday night, Giggs plays in the era of pasta diets and lots of sleep, if John Charles was a 24 yr old today he wouldn't stand a chance, in his day you could put both ball and keeper in the net so he'd be constantly offside or sent off, Giggs if you time warped him back to JC's era would also fail, someone would break his leg simply for being too flash and the weight of the ball would negate any zippy crosses after a mazy run down the line,

Basically some football fans only see 10% of a game, they don't see the other 90% where Mr Unsung keeps mopping up, or the position's some players get into only for the rest of the team to not be on the same wavelength, I've seen it locally, a first class player made to look ordinary simply because the donkeys around him couldn't keep up,

Welbeck & Carroll could've been more effective if someone in the middle supplied them, Carroll is seen as some sort of failure, but tbh he reminds me of Mark Hateley both physically and presence wise, if he can get out of Liverpool I'm sure the lad will come good again,

See I'll hit you with this one, Chris Coleman, people may say he's no good, but I think otherwise, I think the guy is great but he will need time, he kept Fulham competitive for many seasons as a selling club, then he made the mistake of going to Coventry who have been skint for many years now, you don't need an ego manager, you need someone who gets respected, and Hodge afaik is respected, he certainly is in this house, and that was before he became England manager, Fulham again no money, Liverpool, no chance, even the favorite son can't do anything with that poison challis of a club,

Wales has had a lot of good players over the years, Rush & Aldridge, I used to watch these two play for Chester and Newport County in the 4th division and you could see the quality back then, Savage for all his faults was another great player, you can find them if you look hard enough, all it needs is Swansea,Cardiff and Bristol City to unearth a few out of school and you could end up with a team just like the 70's Scotland one, which was an amazing array of talent..........it's ARCHIE GEMMELL!!! wee Archie scores, they had the lot back then, Gordon McQueen, Willie Donachie, Asa Hartford, Alan Rough, David Narey, Joe Jordan and so on and so on, a team to die for,


Trust me on the balance of things England gave a good account, it might not have been pretty at times but they all showed up willingly and I didn't see one player intentionally dropping his head and not trying, and finally, you try taking a penalty after running flat out for 2 hours, taint easy my good man