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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:02 am 
Gov borrowing

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2012 18BN

Welfare payments up, tax generation down


This is the extra debt he has added for us with his policy of tax the debts away, how much longer before the Tories do the right thing and get shot of him and put someone in his place who has a clue.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:09 am 
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They don't have anyone with a clue. :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:02 pm 
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Did you really expect anything else from that lot?? Job losses up, unemployment up, benefit claims up, immigration up. Did you really expect anything else??


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:50 pm 
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Did you really expect anything else from that lot?? Job losses up, unemployment up, benefit claims up, immigration up. Did you really expect anything else??

Are you sure you have these things correct? I thought that unemployment was down at the moment and that immigration was down as well. What would Labour have done differently?

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What would Labour have done differently?

It would have been a 1000 times worse.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:26 pm 
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grandad wrote:
What would Labour have done differently?

It would have been a 1000 times worse.



Yup, too true, I'm not anti Tory, I just find some MP's of theirs a bit hard to stomach for ostrich syndrome,

One of our local ones tries very hard, others past and present are a shower, Lamont, LORD Lamont once said high unemployment was a price worth paying for low inflation, really! well that's ok if it isn't you that's skint, the man should really be Lord Lament tbh.


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grandad wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:
Did you really expect anything else from that lot?? Job losses up, unemployment up, benefit claims up, immigration up. Did you really expect anything else??

Are you sure you have these things correct? I thought that unemployment was down at the moment and that immigration was down as well. What would Labour have done differently?



OK then we'll swap it around, unemployment down, jobseekers claims rise. Is that better??


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yep, Labour left a right [edited by admin] heap behind them, these NHS "PFI" schemes are an excellent example

In effect a private hospital costing the NHS far more than its worth

A Labour idea....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... uptcy.html

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Across the public sector, taxpayers are committed to paying £229bn for hospitals, schools, roads and other projects with a capital value of £56bn.

But former Prime Minister Tony Blair told Sky News the contribution PFI had made to rebuilding the country's infrastructure was "immense".

"PFI has been copied around the world," he said. "I am sure, as with any system, you will get a situation when sometimes it doesn't work or people will get into difficulty as they do in the non PFI situations, but if you look at PFI overall and what it delivered in terms of hospitals, schools and renovations to the infrastructure of the country it has been immense."

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:34 am 
Blokes a cont, or as Skull would say, part of the plan.


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wannabeeahack wrote:
yep, Labour left a right [edited by admin] heap behind them, these NHS "PFI" schemes are an excellent example

In effect a private hospital costing the NHS far more than its worth

A Labour idea....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... uptcy.html



The PFI's were invented by the Tories over 20 years ago. One of Thatcher's mates started the ball rolling in the late 80's / early 90's when he set up a company that bought hospitals then rented them back to the NHS at an inflated rate.

In these brand spanking new PFI hospitals it costs them hundreds of pounds for simple repair such as mending an electrical socket which would cost a pittance in a non PFI Hospital. It's legalised extortion created by the Tories carried on by Labour.


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PFI are crap the Unions fought against them, any way DEBT after WW2 this countrys debt was in real terms far greater than the present one and Attlee and his govt created the NHS Nationalised the Utility's Railways Coal Mines and started building thousands of homes and new towns and THEREBY created employment -


Now after Tory vermin raping the Country the Utilities are a form of taxation the mines have gone the NHS is being destroyed the Rail fares are the highest in the world the houses have been flogged off and the money raised was not allowed to be spent on more houses all agreed by Thatcher Major Blair Brown and other types of blue or pink torys bleedin scum the lot of em!!

You want out of the AUSTERITY spend your way out build houses renationalise the Utility's invest in the NHS repair derelict schools the roads and most introduce a fair TAX system which the rich parasites are unable to avoid create work in manufacturing treat people with respect the British are not lazy the workers are excellent as proved in the Car manufacturing Honda Nissan Jaguar its the management thats lacking greed reigns supreme as for the immigrants how many of you have not got an immigrant somewhere back in time in your family ??????? Irish French German Jewish whatever this country thrives on immigrants sure it needs examining when its used by the exploiters to undermine the indigenous population but it can be done BUT WHO ARE THE EXPLOITERS NORMALLY THE ESTABLISHMENT IE TORYS AND THEIR ILK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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For once I partially agree with TT :shock:

It does not make sense when spending tax payers money to do it via PFI's the maths simply don't add up it will always cost more in the long run

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trotskys twin wrote:
PFI are crap the Unions fought against them, any way DEBT after WW2 this countrys debt was in real terms far greater than the present one and Attlee and his govt created the NHS Nationalised the Utility's Railways Coal Mines and started building thousands of homes and new towns and THEREBY created employment -


Now after Tory vermin raping the Country the Utilities are a form of taxation the mines have gone the NHS is being destroyed the Rail fares are the highest in the world the houses have been flogged off and the money raised was not allowed to be spent on more houses all agreed by Thatcher Major Blair Brown and other types of blue or pink torys bleedin scum the lot of em!!

You want out of the AUSTERITY spend your way out build houses renationalise the Utility's invest in the NHS repair derelict schools the roads and most introduce a fair TAX system which the rich parasites are unable to avoid create work in manufacturing treat people with respect the British are not lazy the workers are excellent as proved in the Car manufacturing Honda Nissan Jaguar its the management thats lacking greed reigns supreme as for the immigrants how many of you have not got an immigrant somewhere back in time in your family ??????? Irish French German Jewish whatever this country thrives on immigrants sure it needs examining when its used by the exploiters to undermine the indigenous population but it can be done BUT WHO ARE THE EXPLOITERS NORMALLY THE ESTABLISHMENT IE TORYS AND THEIR ILK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Actually it was the Taxation system along with protectionism that was the largest driving force for the longest sustainable period of growth this country has ever known. Corporation tax was 55% and the highest personal Tax was 90%.

Our National deficit, (not national debt) never fell below 150% of GDP between the wars and rose to its peak in 1948, 250% of GDP.
However the situation today is very very different. ALL governments have chosen to put their PRIVATE banks financial debts onto US the people, this is a whole different ball game and the sums involved are staggering. So much so that most politicians let alone the public are ignorant to the figures. The derivative market alone is 600 trillion.
The UK's 4 largest banks hold 500 times our GDP!!!

The truth is, we can't do what Sweden or Japan did during their banking crisis because it involves coming clean with how much bad debt your holding. If the ten largest banks around the world did this, the game would be over. It is already, it's just no one has the balls to tell the politicians or public.

The Euro wont collapse, the UK wont get hammered by the markets....we are the markets!!! But the currency war will continue between the Dollar, Yuan and the Euro, its last man standing....and no China and India aren't in great shape.


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trotskys twin wrote:
PFI are crap the Unions fought against them, any way DEBT after WW2 this countrys debt was in real terms far greater than the present one and Attlee and his govt created the NHS Nationalised the Utility's Railways Coal Mines and started building thousands of homes and new towns and THEREBY created employment -


Now after Tory vermin raping the Country the Utilities are a form of taxation the mines have gone the NHS is being destroyed the Rail fares are the highest in the world the houses have been flogged off and the money raised was not allowed to be spent on more houses all agreed by Thatcher Major Blair Brown and other types of blue or pink torys bleedin scum the lot of em!!

You want out of the AUSTERITY spend your way out build houses renationalise the Utility's invest in the NHS repair derelict schools the roads and most introduce a fair TAX system which the rich parasites are unable to avoid create work in manufacturing treat people with respect the British are not lazy the workers are excellent as proved in the Car manufacturing Honda Nissan Jaguar its the management thats lacking greed reigns supreme as for the immigrants how many of you have not got an immigrant somewhere back in time in your family ??????? Irish French German Jewish whatever this country thrives on immigrants sure it needs examining when its used by the exploiters to undermine the indigenous population but it can be done BUT WHO ARE THE EXPLOITERS NORMALLY THE ESTABLISHMENT IE TORYS AND THEIR ILK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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