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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:11 am 
[/quote]Probably, but not necessarily, it's all about educating the masses on how they are being robbed and enslaved by the wealthy elite. It's then about electing representatives and not leaders, and that means changing the political mechanism to protect the people from those who would abuse the system for their own interests. :-|[/quote]

Trouble is, how do you educate the sheeple? They're a mixed bag of don't knows, don't cares and don't understands.[/quote]


The iconic way to write that is like this Gus.... :-s =; #-o

100% btw, because that is exactly how it has become, and that is how the elite wanted it, thats why we now resemble a load of benefit dependent bums who'd struggle with a childrens crossword in a comic.


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Gusmac writes:

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Trouble is, how do you educate the sheeple? They're a mixed bag of don't knows, don't cares and don't understands.


Think of it like a virus. In the right socioeconomic and environmental conditions, knowledge, acts like an extremely virulent pathogen attacking, its host, in this case, the body politic and their wealthy elite. Governments fall. Wealth is transferred, and new systems are put in place.

Take a look at Iceland, for instance. They went bankrupt and kick out the bankers. A few years later, they now have a healthy economy almost unaffected by rest of the world. No bank bailouts just people power. :-|

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p4AWGVkOko


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:45 pm 
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Iceland Revolution Project - Interview with Dr. Guðrún Pétursdóttir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... unIgM4GXgY

This is how it's done Gusmac. It's not perfect, but a whole lot better than anything we have. Iceland could be the start of the new democratic model for the world.

Oh and I bet you are wondering why this story has been largely under reported by the main-stream media, and why politicians in this country, do their best to avoid talking about it. :shock:

How Iceland Defeated Bankers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=en ... P1J3HXOZIc


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:10 pm 
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Do you think Iceland could have done this if it were still a dependency of Denmark?

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:19 pm 
I think you'll find Gazzer that Iceland basically bumped everyone else like a loanee that had no intent on repaying, and they were the ones carrot dangling high % rates to investors, probably knowing the best way to scoop the capital is to appeal to the greediest, then once you have the money simply go broke and shrug shoulders.


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:39 pm 
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I think you are missing the point. The Icelandic people took control of their own country. The people didn't bump, anyone, and they were never a dependency of Denmark. They were born into bondage like everyone else, and simply decided enough was enough.

You are talking, in general political terms. I don't wake up in the morning worrying about the English or Afghan people. They are not the problem, the banks, the wealthy elite and the political class are the problem. Everyone plays by their systems of control.

You might as well be talking about Britain, being a dependency of America because they hold the worlds reserve currency.

To paraphrase the late George Carlin, it's an elite club, and the common people of this world, aren't in it. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
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You are brainwashed almost from the minute you draw your first breath. You are fed all this, pseudo socioreligious educational, political nonsense. It's their language to divide and conquer the masses.

Let's invade Iraq or Afghanistan or why not Syria or Iran. Tell me, you don't believe your average Afghani wants Scottish or English soldiers walking down his streets killing his people. I don't know about you, but I can't remember, the people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria or Iran ever attacking this country.

Don't you get it? It's not just a political language. It's mind control? :-| Free your mind, your ass will follow. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:17 pm 
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Skull wrote:
I think you are missing the point. The Icelandic people took control of their own country. The people didn't bump, anyone, and they were never a dependency of Denmark. They were born into bondage like everyone else, and simply decided enough was enough.

You are talking, in general political terms. I don't wake up in the morning worrying about the English or Afghan people. They are not the problem, the banks, the wealthy elite and the political class are the problem. Everyone plays by their systems of control.

You might as well be talking about Britain, being a dependency of America because they hold the worlds reserve currency.

To paraphrase the late George Carlin, it's an elite club, and the common people of this world, aren't in it. :-|

Utter pish. Not worthy of you at all. You are just dodging the question.

Iceland became an independent In 1918 and a republic in 1944 previously it was a dependency of Denmark and Norway before that.
Now, do you think
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Iceland could be the start of the new democratic model for the world
if they were not an independent nation?

Yes or no will do.

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:08 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:
I think you are missing the point. The Icelandic people took control of their own country. The people didn't bump, anyone, and they were never a dependency of Denmark. They were born into bondage like everyone else, and simply decided enough was enough.

You are talking, in general political terms. I don't wake up in the morning worrying about the English or Afghan people. They are not the problem, the banks, the wealthy elite and the political class are the problem. Everyone plays by their systems of control.

You might as well be talking about Britain, being a dependency of America because they hold the worlds reserve currency.

To paraphrase the late George Carlin, it's an elite club, and the common people of this world, aren't in it. :-|

Utter pish. Not worthy of you at all. You are just dodging the question.

Iceland became an independent In 1918 and a republic in 1944 previously it was a dependency of Denmark and Norway before that.
Now, do you think
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Iceland could be the start of the new democratic model for the world
if they were not an independent nation?

Yes or no will do.


NO.

Gusmac, this is like a history lesson the people of Iceland played no part in. It's irrelevant. Iceland's new democratic model happened as a consequence of socioeconomic collapse. An educated public said enough was a enough and took control. A public I may add, for the most part, weren't even born between the years of 1918 and 1944. Independence played no part in their new democratic model, but a knowledgeable public did.

If the Scottish people want to control their own country, no one has the power to deny it, and we don't need anyone's permission. :-| The Icelandic people are no different but they took control. :-|

The common people of Scotland will have to take control of the banks, the wealthy elite and their political class puppets, through writing their own constitution and by putting in the correct democratic mechanism.

Alec Salmond, or the SNP, is not about to give you independence with a constitution written by the people of Scotland, not now, not ever. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:22 pm 
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There is nothing stopping Scotland doing exactly the same as Iceland. We don't need Independence, and we don't need wee Eck Salmond. If we want it, it's ours for the taking. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:28 pm 
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Skull wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:
I think you are missing the point. The Icelandic people took control of their own country. The people didn't bump, anyone, and they were never a dependency of Denmark. They were born into bondage like everyone else, and simply decided enough was enough.

You are talking, in general political terms. I don't wake up in the morning worrying about the English or Afghan people. They are not the problem, the banks, the wealthy elite and the political class are the problem. Everyone plays by their systems of control.

You might as well be talking about Britain, being a dependency of America because they hold the worlds reserve currency.

To paraphrase the late George Carlin, it's an elite club, and the common people of this world, aren't in it. :-|

Utter pish. Not worthy of you at all. You are just dodging the question.

Iceland became an independent In 1918 and a republic in 1944 previously it was a dependency of Denmark and Norway before that.
Now, do you think
Skull wrote:
Iceland could be the start of the new democratic model for the world
if they were not an independent nation?

Yes or no will do.


NO.

Gusmac, this is like a history lesson the people of Iceland played no part in. It's irrelevant. Iceland's new democratic model happened as a consequence of socioeconomic collapse. An educated public said enough was a enough and took control. A public I may add, for the most part, weren't even born between the years of 1918 and 1944. Independence played no part in their new democratic model, but a knowledgeable public did.

If the Scottish people want to control their own country, no one has the power to deny it, and we don't need anyone's permission. :-| The Icelandic people are no different but they took control. :-|

The common people of Scotland will have to take control of the banks, the wealthy elite and their political class puppets, through writing their own constitution and by putting in the correct democratic mechanism.

Alec Salmond, or the SNP, is not about to give you independence with a constitution written by the people of Scotland, not now, not ever. :-|


A knowledgeable public or a broke and scared one? Nothing like the prospect of complete and abject poverty to concentrate the mind.

BTW you are the one who doesn't get it. If iceland had been under colonial control, the colonial power would simply not have allowed this to happen.
How they got to independence or when is immaterial, independence was essential to facilitate the event.
Without it, they would have been bailed out and their grandchildren would still be paying it all back decades from now.

All sound a bit familiar? It should. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
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Skull wrote:
There is nothing stopping Scotland doing exactly the same as Iceland. We don't need Independence, and we don't need wee Eck Salmond. If we want it, it's ours for the taking. :-|


And you think the UK would just allow this to happen?

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
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So you are saying we are under the boot of a colonial power, and that the British government won't allow independence to happen. Don't talk, Shi*e. Where the [edited by admin], do you think, you are living?

If the Scottish people want Independence, they are not asking for it, they are taking it, for themselves. As I said before, we don't need anyone's permission, any more than the people of Iceland.

There is nothing stopping Scotland doing exactly the same as Iceland.

Do you think David Cameron, is going to put troops on the streets, to deny Scotland Independence, and a constitution written by the common people, if that's what we want?


You don't truly believe the shi*e you are talking now, do you? #-o


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
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The only thing stopping the Scottish people having what they want, is their inability to think for themselves, and to take control.

Fecking Alec Salmond, you've got to be having a laugh. He's just another political parasite, working for the man. #-o


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:56 am 
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Skull, I watched the video wae’ the Icelandic woman. Very articulate she was too. However, she spoke about people who asked her & the 3 lawyers etc, to represent their views to Parliment. Is that not what the Democratically elected reps are meant to do anyway ?. Plus, Iceland are affected by the Global economy, the same as any other Country, are they not ?. Do they somehow not rely on European & International trade ?. My point is, it disnae’ matter how Democratic, transparent, or whatever.... You will always be a wee unhappy man... shame..


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