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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:03 pm 
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His Mantra is to Stuff us all, for him Its More Europe, More Eurozone, More Taxation, More Laws to make daily life miserable for all Scots, More Regulation, More Quangoes,..the Only thing we are not going to get more of is Public services, Better Education, Freedom of Choice, a relaxation of Dumbfuk laws , Tax Breaks and a load of other things that would help us go forward.


you've been reading the torygraph too long.

It never ceases to amaze me how quick the Tory press are at accusing others of doing what their own paymasters are doing.

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:26 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
His Mantra is to Stuff us all, for him Its More Europe, More Eurozone, More Taxation, More Laws to make daily life miserable for all Scots, More Regulation, More Quangoes,..the Only thing we are not going to get more of is Public services, Better Education, Freedom of Choice, a relaxation of Dumbfuk laws , Tax Breaks and a load of other things that would help us go forward.


you've been reading the torygraph too long.

It never ceases to amaze me how quick the Tory press are at accusing others of doing what their own paymasters are doing.


Never read the Torygraph in my life ....Why would I when the Facts are all in here :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:05 am 
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bloodnock wrote:
His Mantra is to Stuff us all, for him Its More Europe, More Eurozone, More Taxation, More Laws to make daily life miserable for all Scots, More Regulation, More Quangoes,..the Only thing we are not going to get more of is Public services, Better Education, Freedom of Choice, a relaxation of Dumbfuk laws , Tax Breaks and a load of other things that would help us go forward.


So where did you get all this guff from?

Tax breaks would be a matter for George Osbourne BTW, and we already know who he dishes those out to.

Vote no and all we will get is more Tory misrule, less of our own money spent here and more decimation of our country, in favour of the Tory south.
You really are a plank. #-o

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:56 am 
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BTW, before you make a bigger fool of yourself than you already have, take a look at this list.
It's the things Westminster doesn't allow Scotland to decide for itself and imposes it's own will instead.

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    List of reserved matters

    Reserved matters are subdivided into two categories: General reservations and specific reservations.

    General reservations cover major issues which are always handled centrally by a nation-state:[5]

    the constitution, including:

    the Crown
    the Union with England, Northern Ireland and Wales
    the UK Parliament
    the existence of the (criminal) High Court of Justiciary
    the existence of the (civil) Court of Session

    registration and funding of political parties

    international relations, including:

    international development
    the regulation of international trade

    the Home Civil Service
    defence
    treason

    Specific reservations cover particular areas of social and economic policy which are reserved to Westminster, listed under 11 'heads':[6]

    Head A - Financial and Economic Matters

    fiscal, economic and monetary policy
    currency
    financial services
    financial markets
    money laundering

    Head B - Home Affairs

    drug abuse
    data protection and access to information
    elections
    firearms
    film classification
    immigration and nationality
    scientific procedures on live animals
    national security and counter-terrorism
    betting, gaming and lotteries
    emergency powers
    extradition
    lieutenancies

    Head C – Trade and Industry

    business associations
    insolvency
    competition
    intellectual property
    import and export control
    sea fishing outside the Scottish zone
    customer protection
    product standards, safety and liability
    weights and measures
    telecommunications
    postal services
    research councils

    Head D – Energy

    electricity
    oil and gas
    coal
    nuclear energy
    energy efficiency

    Head E - Transport

    road transport
    rail transport
    marine transport
    air transport

    Head F – Social Security

    social security schemes
    child support
    pensions

    Head G – Regulation of the Professions

    architect
    health professions
    auditor

    Head H – Employment

    employment and industrial relations
    health and safety

    Head J – Health and Medicines

    abortion
    xenotransplantation
    embryology, surrogacy and human genetics
    medicines, medical supplies and poisons
    welfare foods

    Head K – Media and Culture

    broadcasting
    public lending right

    Head L – Miscellaneous

    judicial salaries
    equal opportunities
    control of weapons of mass destruction
    Ordnance Survey
    time
    outer space

If your gripes concern any of these, take it up with the MP you think represents you.

That's if he's not to busy voting in tax cuts for the super rich, fiddling expenses or promising referenda he has no intention of delivering.

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:04 am 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
His Mantra is to Stuff us all, for him Its More Europe, More Eurozone, More Taxation, More Laws to make daily life miserable for all Scots, More Regulation, More Quangoes,..the Only thing we are not going to get more of is Public services, Better Education, Freedom of Choice, a relaxation of Dumbfuk laws , Tax Breaks and a load of other things that would help us go forward.


So where did you get all this guff from?

Tax breaks would be a matter for George Osbourne BTW, and we already know who he dishes those out to.

Vote no and all we will get is more Tory misrule, less of our own money spent here and more decimation of our country, in favour of the Tory south.
You really are a plank. #-o


Unlike the SNP breed of Sheeple I can see for myself whats happening, It's their to for all to see or read in any Publication or TV News.

More Important is what I'm hearing from the majority of my fellow Scots in our every day conversations...and that is that most of them neither want nor particularly trust the indies nor their half thought out Ideals.

Also, If an Indy Holyrood ever get extra powers to vary the Taxation rate in Scotland it's going to go in only one direction and that's upwards, Only a Dill would believe they want such a power to allow them to lower the amount of tax we Scots will pay.

Although the vast majority of Scot's already realise that Independence is a non starter, this number will grow still further when the undecided also realise in similar proportions that Indies not going to work. Another thing that's going to help is if the UK offers it's people a Referendum on being in or out of the EU, that alone would make Scots want to remain part of the UK in order not to miss out on that chance....What Eck fails to grasp is that the Majority of people in all the UK countries want a referendum on the EU, almost no one likes the EU as it is now and even less likes where It's going, No right thinking Scots voter is going to miss out on a chance of a referendum only to Vote for an Independence Party led by a Leader who's tongue appears to be so far down the back of the EU trousers that you can see the brown stain of Manuel Barroso arse on it, Scots see Europe as a far far bigger enemy to Scottish freedom than that of our long time mainland neighbour and Partner England.

Oh..BTW...we'll have a Plank count in 2014, I bet you £5.00 I win or 6 Euros if I dont. :-$


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:27 am 
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bloodnock wrote:
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You really are a plank. #-o


Unlike the SNP breed of Sheeple I can see for myself whats happening, It's their to for all to see or read in any Publication or TV News.



I rest my case. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:37 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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I do not disagree with your sentiment but without the correct political mechanism, your vote is based on personal belief, not proof or certainty. The will of the Scottish people is struggling to vote for Independence, let alone anything else. That's why I am such a pessimist. I want representatives and not leaders. I want transparency of Government without having to ask for permission. And I want to see politicians placed under real public scrutiny and made accountable to their electorate.

If they fu*k up or fail to do their job correctly, they are out on their ar*e, never to return. :-|

The Government should live in fear, of the people, and not the other way around.

As I stated before: the only way to change the way the world works, is through education. A revolution comes about when knowledge and personal circumstances collide with changes in the environment, economic collapse is one example.


I think anyone's views are based partly on personal belief skull, including yours.
That aside, I don't have a problem with what you want. I'd like most of it too but it's not going to happen all at once and probably not in our lifetime.

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Personally, I think independence on its own will achieve very little. :-|


You may be right, but I see it as a step in the right direction. The first step on a long road.



A system is just a set of processes working together as parts of a mechanism or network. Take Democracy, for instance. If you leave out the means to make politicians directly accountability to the electorate, you vote for leaders and not representatives. You should have a complaint's procedure and an independent arbiter with the power to decide the fate of your elected official if, he/she fails to do their job.

This is not my belief but a simple fact.


They might tell you, you are voting for Independence or democracy but without the correct political mechanism, it's simply their version, of how they control the masses. It's no accident, "Democracy" in its present form, is the way that it is. :-|


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:54 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
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You really are a plank. #-o


Unlike the SNP breed of Sheeple I can see for myself whats happening, It's their to for all to see or read in any Publication or TV News.



I rest my case. :lol:


Your Brainwashed romantic Idealogies are not going to get you anywhere of Importance under an SNP led Independent Holyrood, It'll never happen anyway because Holyrood consists of more Planks than your average British Seaside pier. #-o


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:23 pm 
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Traditionally, all Scotland's best Politicians have set their sights on a Seat at Westminster.

If we were a Nation, in our own right, I'm sure that we would have thrived under the tutelage of Messrsrs Blair & Brown.

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
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wee eddie wrote:
Traditionally, all Scotland's best Politicians have set their sights on a Seat at Westminster.

If we were a Nation, in our own right, I'm sure that we would have thrived under the tutelage of Messrsrs Blair & Brown.



Dunno about thrived!!...Shriveled might be closer the mark. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:58 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
wee eddie wrote:
Traditionally, all Scotland's best Politicians have set their sights on a Seat at Westminster.

If we were a Nation, in our own right, I'm sure that we would have thrived under the of Messrsrs Blair & Brown.



Dunno about thrived!!...Shriveled might be closer the mark. :roll:


I doubt if an independent Scottish Labour party would ever have appealed to Blair, or him to them. But you never know.
Even if true, would it have been any worse than the tutelage of Thatcher, Major or Cameron?

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 Post subject: Re: Just say no
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:28 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
wee eddie wrote:
Traditionally, all Scotland's best Politicians have set their sights on a Seat at Westminster.

If we were a Nation, in our own right, I'm sure that we would have thrived under the of Messrsrs Blair & Brown.



Dunno about thrived!!...Shriveled might be closer the mark. :roll:


I doubt if an independent Scottish Labour party would ever have appealed to Blair, or him to them. But you never know.
Even if true, would it have been any worse than the tutelage of Thatcher, Major or Cameron?


Tony Blair reputedly earned around £20 Million pounds last year and "Son of the Manse" Gordon Brown has reputedly earned well over £1 million in the past year on top of his Commons salary and he's all but Disappeared from political view.

No Idea what Margaret thatcher or John Major earns these days...but I'll bet a quid that It's fechin sight more than any single Taxi or PH driver earns in 10 years.

It tends to make me think that Politics is just a means to an end for all politicians.


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