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Another benefit of the union?

The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders are to be axed as a battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond will make the announcement on Thursday as part of the biggest overhaul of the Army in more than a century.

All other battalions of the Royal Regiment of Scotland have survived the cull, but the Argylls will be cut from a separate battalion to just a company, charged with carrying out ceremonial duties such as guarding Edinburgh Castle.

Hammond will set out how the regular Army will be cut from 102,000 troops to 82,000 by the end of the decade - its lowest level since the Napoleonic Wars.

The plan - known as Army 2020 - is expected to see it split into two, with a reaction force, ready to respond to emergencies around the globe, and an adaptable force capable of carrying out a range of tasks and commitments.

Mr Hammond has said the changes - drawn up by Lieutenant General Nick Carter - will provide the basis of a smaller, more flexible and agile Army into the future.

But the prospect of losing historic units has been the cause of intense anguish within the service.

The Daily Telegraph disclosed this week that one officer, Brigadier David Paterson of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, had written to the head of the Army expressing his bitter disappointment at plans to axe one of its two battalions.

In his letter to General Sir Peter Wall, Chief of the General Staff, Brig Paterson said the proposal "cannot be presented as the best or most sensible military option".

Mr Hammond, who will set out details of the proposals in a statement to the House of Commons, has acknowledged that they have involved some "difficult" decisions.

But he said that cuts could not be avoided, with the demands for strict financial discipline under the Government's 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review.

Under the plans, reductions in regular Army strength would be offset by increases in part-time reservists, with the Territorial Army doubling in numbers from 15,000 to 30,000. As well as providing specialist capabilities - such as medics and intelligence - reservists would be used to reinforce infantry battalions on deployment.

'Less flexibility'

The Army would also be required to make greater use of civilian contractors in areas such as logistics support in order to concentrate military capability on the frontline.

Colonel Bob Stewart, a Conservative MP and former commanding officer with the Cheshire Regiment who sits on the defence select committee, said cutting troops was not the right way forward but the Government had been left with no option.

Asked if the Defence Secretary was putting the nation at risk, he told BBC Breakfast: "Every defence secretary has to balance exactly what the risk is. We just don't know what the risk is.

"If you reduce the numbers available you have less options, you have less flexibility, you have less power, that's a fact.

"So if you reduce the numbers you are actually putting the nation more at risk, yes, but equally we don't have much of a choice."

Labour MP and former paratrooper Dan Jarvis said he was "very sad and very concerned" about the downsizing of the army.

He added: "We should absolutely be looking at ways to save money but we should be looking incredibly carefully at the way in which we provide our national security, and a key component of that are our armed forces. They are about to be reduced by a significant amount, the army is going to go from 102,000 to 82,000 in a very uncertain world.

"I am not convinced at all that is the right thing to do, I am not convinced that at the end of that process we will have an armed forces that will be able to do the kind of things we might want them to do in the future."
http://m.stv.tv/news/scotland/109394-ar ... my-review/


This is madness at this time, We need more not less professional soldiers to honour our commitments and for our own defence.

Maybe if the stopped paying a Million unmarried mothers their Multiple Kids Bonus (the More you breed the more you get) and stopped a 1/2 a million less than genuine Mobility Drivers getting a new car every three years we could afford to Keep our Military in good shape. :roll:

Dont get me wrong..The genuinely need should be catered for but the Malingerers and Lead swingers..no way!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:39 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Another benefit of the union?

The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders are to be axed as a battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond will make the announcement on Thursday as part of the biggest overhaul of the Army in more than a century.

All other battalions of the Royal Regiment of Scotland have survived the cull, but the Argylls will be cut from a separate battalion to just a company, charged with carrying out ceremonial duties such as guarding Edinburgh Castle.

Hammond will set out how the regular Army will be cut from 102,000 troops to 82,000 by the end of the decade - its lowest level since the Napoleonic Wars.

The plan - known as Army 2020 - is expected to see it split into two, with a reaction force, ready to respond to emergencies around the globe, and an adaptable force capable of carrying out a range of tasks and commitments.

Mr Hammond has said the changes - drawn up by Lieutenant General Nick Carter - will provide the basis of a smaller, more flexible and agile Army into the future.

But the prospect of losing historic units has been the cause of intense anguish within the service.

The Daily Telegraph disclosed this week that one officer, Brigadier David Paterson of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, had written to the head of the Army expressing his bitter disappointment at plans to axe one of its two battalions.

In his letter to General Sir Peter Wall, Chief of the General Staff, Brig Paterson said the proposal "cannot be presented as the best or most sensible military option".

Mr Hammond, who will set out details of the proposals in a statement to the House of Commons, has acknowledged that they have involved some "difficult" decisions.

But he said that cuts could not be avoided, with the demands for strict financial discipline under the Government's 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review.

Under the plans, reductions in regular Army strength would be offset by increases in part-time reservists, with the Territorial Army doubling in numbers from 15,000 to 30,000. As well as providing specialist capabilities - such as medics and intelligence - reservists would be used to reinforce infantry battalions on deployment.

'Less flexibility'

The Army would also be required to make greater use of civilian contractors in areas such as logistics support in order to concentrate military capability on the frontline.

Colonel Bob Stewart, a Conservative MP and former commanding officer with the Cheshire Regiment who sits on the defence select committee, said cutting troops was not the right way forward but the Government had been left with no option.

Asked if the Defence Secretary was putting the nation at risk, he told BBC Breakfast: "Every defence secretary has to balance exactly what the risk is. We just don't know what the risk is.

"If you reduce the numbers available you have less options, you have less flexibility, you have less power, that's a fact.

"So if you reduce the numbers you are actually putting the nation more at risk, yes, but equally we don't have much of a choice."

Labour MP and former paratrooper Dan Jarvis said he was "very sad and very concerned" about the downsizing of the army.

He added: "We should absolutely be looking at ways to save money but we should be looking incredibly carefully at the way in which we provide our national security, and a key component of that are our armed forces. They are about to be reduced by a significant amount, the army is going to go from 102,000 to 82,000 in a very uncertain world.

"I am not convinced at all that is the right thing to do, I am not convinced that at the end of that process we will have an armed forces that will be able to do the kind of things we might want them to do in the future."
http://m.stv.tv/news/scotland/109394-ar ... my-review/


This is madness at this time, We need more not less professional soldiers to honour our commitments and for our own defence.

Maybe if the stopped paying a Million unmarried mothers their Multiple Kids Bonus (the More you breed the more you get) and stopped a 1/2 a million less than genuine Mobility Drivers getting a new car every three years we could afford to Keep our Military in good shape. :roll:

Dont get me wrong..The genuinely need should be catered for but the Malingerers and Lead swingers..no way!!


Or not spend £300,000,000,000 replacing Trident?

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One assumes that those that wish to break up the Union, would retain all the Scottish Regiments.

As they have already said that they will not indulge in unnecessary wars ~~~~~~~~~~~ What will they do with all these soldiers.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:41 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Another benefit of the union?

The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders are to be axed as a battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond will make the announcement on Thursday as part of the biggest overhaul of the Army in more than a century.

All other battalions of the Royal Regiment of Scotland have survived the cull, but the Argylls will be cut from a separate battalion to just a company, charged with carrying out ceremonial duties such as guarding Edinburgh Castle.

Hammond will set out how the regular Army will be cut from 102,000 troops to 82,000 by the end of the decade - its lowest level since the Napoleonic Wars.

The plan - known as Army 2020 - is expected to see it split into two, with a reaction force, ready to respond to emergencies around the globe, and an adaptable force capable of carrying out a range of tasks and commitments.

Mr Hammond has said the changes - drawn up by Lieutenant General Nick Carter - will provide the basis of a smaller, more flexible and agile Army into the future.

But the prospect of losing historic units has been the cause of intense anguish within the service.

The Daily Telegraph disclosed this week that one officer, Brigadier David Paterson of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, had written to the head of the Army expressing his bitter disappointment at plans to axe one of its two battalions.

In his letter to General Sir Peter Wall, Chief of the General Staff, Brig Paterson said the proposal "cannot be presented as the best or most sensible military option".

Mr Hammond, who will set out details of the proposals in a statement to the House of Commons, has acknowledged that they have involved some "difficult" decisions.

But he said that cuts could not be avoided, with the demands for strict financial discipline under the Government's 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review.

Under the plans, reductions in regular Army strength would be offset by increases in part-time reservists, with the Territorial Army doubling in numbers from 15,000 to 30,000. As well as providing specialist capabilities - such as medics and intelligence - reservists would be used to reinforce infantry battalions on deployment.

'Less flexibility'

The Army would also be required to make greater use of civilian contractors in areas such as logistics support in order to concentrate military capability on the frontline.

Colonel Bob Stewart, a Conservative MP and former commanding officer with the Cheshire Regiment who sits on the defence select committee, said cutting troops was not the right way forward but the Government had been left with no option.

Asked if the Defence Secretary was putting the nation at risk, he told BBC Breakfast: "Every defence secretary has to balance exactly what the risk is. We just don't know what the risk is.

"If you reduce the numbers available you have less options, you have less flexibility, you have less power, that's a fact.

"So if you reduce the numbers you are actually putting the nation more at risk, yes, but equally we don't have much of a choice."

Labour MP and former paratrooper Dan Jarvis said he was "very sad and very concerned" about the downsizing of the army.

He added: "We should absolutely be looking at ways to save money but we should be looking incredibly carefully at the way in which we provide our national security, and a key component of that are our armed forces. They are about to be reduced by a significant amount, the army is going to go from 102,000 to 82,000 in a very uncertain world.

"I am not convinced at all that is the right thing to do, I am not convinced that at the end of that process we will have an armed forces that will be able to do the kind of things we might want them to do in the future."
http://m.stv.tv/news/scotland/109394-ar ... my-review/


This is madness at this time, We need more not less professional soldiers to honour our commitments and for our own defence.

Maybe if the stopped paying a Million unmarried mothers their Multiple Kids Bonus (the More you breed the more you get) and stopped a 1/2 a million less than genuine Mobility Drivers getting a new car every three years we could afford to Keep our Military in good shape. :roll:

Dont get me wrong..The genuinely need should be catered for but the Malingerers and Lead swingers..no way!!


Or not spend £300,000,000,000 replacing Trident?


Maybe best keep that one as there's going to be bugger all else to deter people from walking in here and taking what they like..Even if we had a big army its not always here and even if it was it would only be an Ant in Comparison to the colossal forces of China or Russia...that's why we need a super dooper mega taser like Trident, a deterrent which has teeth..or would you prefer few dozen battalions stationed just south of Dunbar to keep the mighty Russian bear or the Chinese Sleeping Tiger at bay at some date in the future when either or both decide to flex their international muscles once more.

In the Ideal world There would be no Armies or Nuclear weapons..but sadly this is a far from perfect world.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:19 pm 
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One assumes that those that wish to break up the Union, would retain all the Scottish Regiments.

As they have already said that they will not indulge in unnecessary wars ~~~~~~~~~~~ What will they do with all these soldiers.


At a guess, use them in the defence of our country. :idea:

Eddie, how many men do you suppose the Scottish battalions actually have between them these days?
Most Regiments were downsized to battalions within a single regiment the last time westminster decided to save money.

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On the 16th December 2004, the historic formation of a new Scottish super regiment in the Scottish Division, was announced to the House of Commons in the Westminster Parliament, London, by Geoff Hoon, the Secretary for Defence.

According to the Labour Party plan, these changes will be implemented in 2006 - 2007, by that time, the various arms plot moves . . . . . are expected to have been enacted. However, there is likely to be a UK General Election in the Spring of 2005 and the Conservative Party have stated that, if they are voted back into Government, they will reverse these decisions.

Wonder what happened to that commitment? :roll:

http://www.royalregimentofscotland.org.uk/index.php

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Another benefit of the union?

The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders are to be axed as a battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond will make the announcement on Thursday as part of the biggest overhaul of the Army in more than a century.

All other battalions of the Royal Regiment of Scotland have survived the cull, but the Argylls will be cut from a separate battalion to just a company, charged with carrying out ceremonial duties such as guarding Edinburgh Castle.

Hammond will set out how the regular Army will be cut from 102,000 troops to 82,000 by the end of the decade - its lowest level since the Napoleonic Wars.

The plan - known as Army 2020 - is expected to see it split into two, with a reaction force, ready to respond to emergencies around the globe, and an adaptable force capable of carrying out a range of tasks and commitments.

Mr Hammond has said the changes - drawn up by Lieutenant General Nick Carter - will provide the basis of a smaller, more flexible and agile Army into the future.

But the prospect of losing historic units has been the cause of intense anguish within the service.

The Daily Telegraph disclosed this week that one officer, Brigadier David Paterson of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, had written to the head of the Army expressing his bitter disappointment at plans to axe one of its two battalions.

In his letter to General Sir Peter Wall, Chief of the General Staff, Brig Paterson said the proposal "cannot be presented as the best or most sensible military option".

Mr Hammond, who will set out details of the proposals in a statement to the House of Commons, has acknowledged that they have involved some "difficult" decisions.

But he said that cuts could not be avoided, with the demands for strict financial discipline under the Government's 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review.

Under the plans, reductions in regular Army strength would be offset by increases in part-time reservists, with the Territorial Army doubling in numbers from 15,000 to 30,000. As well as providing specialist capabilities - such as medics and intelligence - reservists would be used to reinforce infantry battalions on deployment.

'Less flexibility'

The Army would also be required to make greater use of civilian contractors in areas such as logistics support in order to concentrate military capability on the frontline.

Colonel Bob Stewart, a Conservative MP and former commanding officer with the Cheshire Regiment who sits on the defence select committee, said cutting troops was not the right way forward but the Government had been left with no option.

Asked if the Defence Secretary was putting the nation at risk, he told BBC Breakfast: "Every defence secretary has to balance exactly what the risk is. We just don't know what the risk is.

"If you reduce the numbers available you have less options, you have less flexibility, you have less power, that's a fact.

"So if you reduce the numbers you are actually putting the nation more at risk, yes, but equally we don't have much of a choice."

Labour MP and former paratrooper Dan Jarvis said he was "very sad and very concerned" about the downsizing of the army.

He added: "We should absolutely be looking at ways to save money but we should be looking incredibly carefully at the way in which we provide our national security, and a key component of that are our armed forces. They are about to be reduced by a significant amount, the army is going to go from 102,000 to 82,000 in a very uncertain world.

"I am not convinced at all that is the right thing to do, I am not convinced that at the end of that process we will have an armed forces that will be able to do the kind of things we might want them to do in the future."
http://m.stv.tv/news/scotland/109394-ar ... my-review/


This is madness at this time, We need more not less professional soldiers to honour our commitments and for our own defence.

Maybe if the stopped paying a Million unmarried mothers their Multiple Kids Bonus (the More you breed the more you get) and stopped a 1/2 a million less than genuine Mobility Drivers getting a new car every three years we could afford to Keep our Military in good shape. :roll:

Dont get me wrong..The genuinely need should be catered for but the Malingerers and Lead swingers..no way!!


Or not spend £300,000,000,000 replacing Trident?


It's not £300 billion for Trident II...it's a Snip at between £15 to £20 Billion...


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It's not £300 billion for Trident II...it's a Snip at between £15 to £20 Billion...


Who told you that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The Scottish Division:

Regular Army Units

The Royal Scots Borderers, 1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Royal Highland Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Highlanders 4th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 5th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland Reduced to company strength.

Territorial Army Units

52nd Lowland, 6th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
51st Highland, 7th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Division

That's it guys. 4 regular army battalions and 2 territorial.

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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:

It's not £300 billion for Trident II...it's a Snip at between £15 to £20 Billion...


Who told you that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


The BBC...


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The Scottish Division:

Regular Army Units

The Royal Scots Borderers, 1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Royal Highland Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Highlanders 4th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 5th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland Reduced to company strength.

Territorial Army Units

52nd Lowland, 6th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
51st Highland, 7th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Division

That's it guys. 4 regular army battalions and 2 territorial.



its a f*cking disgrace

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It's not £300 billion for Trident II...it's a Snip at between £15 to £20 Billion...


Who told you that? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


The BBC...


I stand corrected. Estimates vary from £15 billion to £36 billion, depending who you listen to. This doesn't include the costs of operating it.

Regardless, it's a sh*t load of money that could be better spent elsewhere.

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The Scottish Division:

Regular Army Units

The Royal Scots Borderers, 1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Royal Highland Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Highlanders 4th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders 5th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland Reduced to company strength.

Territorial Army Units

52nd Lowland, 6th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland
51st Highland, 7th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Scotland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Division

That's it guys. 4 regular army battalions and 2 territorial.



its a f*cking disgrace


Your damned right it is.

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Your damned right it is.



we now have a self defence force, not an army......and nuclear weapons that are completely useless.

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Your damned right it is.



we now have a self defence force, not an army......and nuclear weapons that are completely useless.


A self-defense force, but we are living, on an island. :-|

It's a bit like attacking a porcupine. It might be bad for us, but it's definitely going to be bad for you. And that's all the excuse we need to for use nuclear weapons. :-|

Personally, I think they have their strategy correct, on this point.

No one is going to attack the UK, not now, or anytime in the future. It's a no brainer. :-|


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