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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:29 pm

captain cab wrote:

Do you do novels too TDO? perhaps a paperback version is available :wink:

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Bedtime stories.....mrT.....

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:36 pm

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However, even one of your main articles this month (namely the 'Open Letter') is anything but unorthodox, but is still unattributed, which perhaps says a lot about free speech in the trade.

an unorthadox letter?

your going to have to enlighten me

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:38 pm

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As for the 'managed growth' policy, isn't this just T&G spin for LAs adhering to the smallest amount of plates that must be issued to comply with the law? How many LAs issue more than this? Even in areas operating these policies, the main growth seems to be in plate premiums, which certainly seems to far outstrip growth in taxi numbers.

I dont think it actually is (but then I would)

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:40 pm

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In other words, the question is one that you haven't really addressed yet - is restriction of taxi numbers fair on either those outside the taxi plate holder group or the public?

Is the public better served by taxi drivers working when they choose or on the basis the public wants them?

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:43 pm

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Perhaps it's not surprising that Liverpool was a disaster area taxi wise, since it was a disaster area economically, so it's not surprising that consumer demand was low, and entry to the cab trade high, thus leading to chaos.

Wow now theres a statement and a half!

and one worthy of further debate

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:09 pm

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captain cab wrote:

an unorthadox letter?

your going to have to enlighten me

You really shouldn't have said that. :-$

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:13 pm

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"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:15 pm

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captain cab wrote:

Is the public better served by taxi drivers working when they choose or on the basis the public wants them?

That assumes that taxi drivers are as thick as pigs poo.

If you have to pay up to £30,000 for a motor, are you going to sit around doing nothing, whilst there is plenty of work at other times?

It's the same for those that say that the outer areas wont get covered after delimtation. Again are drivers going to pay up to £30,000 for a motor only to sit around in the town centre plodding along, all the time there is bundles of work elsewhere?

In my view both ideas are flawed, and I hope drivers really aren't that thick.

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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 11:24 pm

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I dont necessarily disagree.

A factory up here is closing shortly, so far I understand at least 10 people from the factory have initiated the process to got licenses.

Redundancy money well spent? time will tell.

If they make a rats ass of it, they will leave, if they do well they will survive, in either case the cake size decreases for the rest.

By limiting the permits or gradually increasing them, then surely it doesnt have too much of an adverse effect on people currently in the job.

If their factory was still open and I wanted a job there, and the boss of the factory said he had no vacancies, do I cry foul? do I shout limited market?

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:43 am

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captain cab wrote:

By limiting the permits or gradually increasing them, then surely it doesnt have too much of an adverse effect on people currently in the job.

See that's one of the main flaws in this whole limit/de-limit lark, it only concerns vehicles, not drivers.

So if those ten people joined as drivers in a restricted area, then they would be welcomed with open arms by existing owners. Not I suspect by existing jockies.

If those ten people joined as owners in a de-restricted area, then no-one really wants them, apart maybe the odd operator.

In other words, the likes of the T&G are telling new entrants, by all means join our trade, but you must work when you are told, and never for yourself unless you are caked. :sad:

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:58 am

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captain cab wrote:

Do you do novels too TDO? perhaps a paperback version is available :wink:

& hows the reiver infamous now?

Reading the responses in TT this month, I thought the term infamous was perhaps appropriate.

To be honest I didn't see last month's TT, so never actually read the piece in question, but I see it's on the website now, so I'll have a read later today.

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:02 am

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captain cab wrote:

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However, even one of your main articles this month (namely the 'Open Letter') is anything but unorthodox, but is still unattributed, which perhaps says a lot about free speech in the trade.

an unorthadox letter?

your going to have to enlighten me

Captain cab

What I was saying was that the letter was supporting the dominant view in the trade, so it was surprising that it was anon, since they are usually signed and vice versa.

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:05 am

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Wow now theres a statement and a half!

and one worthy of further debate

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Wasn't the whole country a bit of an economic disaster at the time specificed, and Liverpool one of the worst areas?

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:11 am

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captain cab wrote:

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In other words, the question is one that you haven't really addressed yet - is restriction of taxi numbers fair on either those outside the taxi plate holder group or the public?

Is the public better served by taxi drivers working when they choose or on the basis the public wants them?

Captain cab

I think the laws of supply and demand do a pretty good job in this regard, and is certainly preferable to a plate holder effectively telling drivers when to work - I don't think some people in the trade should be able to play God (or Messiah :lol:

)in relation to others in the trade.

Anyway, I was actually alluding as much to fares as matching supply and demand.

In any case, this is the 21st Century, and workers are supposedly afforded a few basic rights irrespective of how this imacts on the consumer, at least outwith the taxi trade.

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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:50 am

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captain cab wrote:

By limiting the permits or gradually increasing them, then surely it doesnt have too much of an adverse effect on people currently in the job.

If their factory was still open and I wanted a job there, and the boss of the factory said he had no vacancies, do I cry foul? do I shout limited market?

Don't know about your manor captain, but in the likes of Blackpool, Edinburgh, Liverpool and Brighton they would be welcomed into the trade with open arms.

But only, of course, if they were to be driving for an existing plate holder, and not having the audacity to want to run their own motor [-X

As for your factory analogy, surely the more appropriate comparison is that no one is objecting to you opening your own factory?

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