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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:50 pm 
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Here's the Keith Hill letter:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/KeithHilll ... -Boyce.pdf

please read the link.... and if you don't understand it..... borrow a small child to explain

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:33 pm 
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Steven Toy wrote:
You haven't heard the best bit yet:

Cannock Chase are proposing only to allow mechanics to take HC/PH vehicles out on a test run with their prior authorisation...


the same Cannock Chase that Hackney-plate (yes..TAXI) a Vauxhall Agilla.....for 4 passengers, whilst refusing age-exemption on a car cos the boot liner is scuffed

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:45 am 
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Also. Years ago in Kidderminster, Our Mechanics would do the work for the council test and then drive to the council testing garage in green st. This was stopped because Wyre Forest council said they were breaking the law by driving taxis they weren't licensed for.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:58 am 
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Checked this with my insurance company and they said they've always issued policies for cabbies the same way which includes use for SDP


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:09 pm 
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MR T wrote:
Here's the Keith Hill letter:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/KeithHilll ... -Boyce.pdf

please read the link.... and if you don't understand it..... borrow a small child to explain


Read, understood and sent to Head of Environmental Health at Cannock Chase Council along with the following accompanying letter.

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Dear Mr Shilvock,

Please find enclosed a letter from Keith Hill MP, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, to Bryan Roland, General Secretary of the National Private Hire Association, dated 18 October 2000.

The letter confirms that mechanics may legally road test Private Hire vehicles on the basis that it would never have been the intention of relevant legislation to prohibit such testing where it is clearly in the interests of ensuring that licensed vehicles are safe and roadworthy.

Naturally the same would also apply to Hackney Carriage vehicles.

In accordance with the advice in the letter I have sought further clarification from Mr Schiller of Dennings LLP who has confirmed that mechanics, provided they have the appropriate insurance cover, may road test HC and PH vehicles.

On this basis, a requirement to notify the council in advance of such road test by a mechanic would be unnecessary and adverse to the public interest, especially if it was necessary to arrange such test at very short notice and/or over the weekend.

The proposal to require such notification is therefore coded RED in accordance with colour codes mentioned in previous responses to this consultation process as well as in the Press. RED means that the proposal would almost certainly be the subject of appeal in the courts should it become a condition of licence.
I trust that you will now strike out this proposal.

Yours sincerely,

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:22 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
I think your LO needs a couple of 100 FoI requests to help him stop acting the tit.

A taxi is always a taxi, and a PH is always a PH, but we ain't always working. Instead of asking drivers etc, why don't they just ask the insurance companies.

Thankfully the LC are proposing binning this silly rule.


Binning what precisely? the Use of PH/Hacks for Domestic and Pleasure use or Binning who can or cant drive them during periods of Domestic and Pleasure use.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:36 pm 
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Steven Toy wrote:
MR T wrote:
Here's the Keith Hill letter:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/KeithHilll ... -Boyce.pdf

please read the link.... and if you don't understand it..... borrow a small child to explain


Read, understood and sent to Head of Environmental Health at Cannock Chase Council along with the following accompanying letter.

Quote:
Dear Mr Shilvock,

Please find enclosed a letter from Keith Hill MP, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State, to Bryan Roland, General Secretary of the National Private Hire Association, dated 18 October 2000.

The letter confirms that mechanics may legally road test Private Hire vehicles on the basis that it would never have been the intention of relevant legislation to prohibit such testing where it is clearly in the interests of ensuring that licensed vehicles are safe and roadworthy.

Naturally the same would also apply to Hackney Carriage vehicles.

In accordance with the advice in the letter I have sought further clarification from Mr Schiller of Dennings LLP who has confirmed that mechanics, provided they have the appropriate insurance cover, may road test HC and PH vehicles.

On this basis, a requirement to notify the council in advance of such road test by a mechanic would be unnecessary and adverse to the public interest, especially if it was necessary to arrange such test at very short notice and/or over the weekend.

The proposal to require such notification is therefore coded RED in accordance with colour codes mentioned in previous responses to this consultation process as well as in the Press. RED means that the proposal would almost certainly be the subject of appeal in the courts should it become a condition of licence.
I trust that you will now strike out this proposal.

Yours sincerely,

Steven Toy

Good. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:57 pm 
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Binning what precisely? the Use of PH/Hacks for Domestic and Pleasure use or Binning who can or cant drive them during periods of Domestic and Pleasure use.

Binning the rule that says only a licensed driver can drive a licensed vehicle.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:34 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
Binning what precisely? the Use of PH/Hacks for Domestic and Pleasure use or Binning who can or cant drive them during periods of Domestic and Pleasure use.

Binning the rule that says only a licensed driver can drive a licensed vehicle.


Does that mean anyone one on a full drivers license even without a PH OR TAXI license will can drive one...say a family member?


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another petty minor rule to show LA's power

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:31 am 
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bloodnock wrote:
Does that mean anyone one on a full drivers license even without a PH OR TAXI license will can drive one...say a family member?

Yes.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:10 am 
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Sussex wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
Does that mean anyone one on a full drivers license even without a PH OR TAXI license will can drive one...say a family member?

Yes.

I totally disagree with this crazy idea.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:06 am 
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The plan is to reverse the burden of proof though so in the event of enforcement action the onus would be on unlicensed driver to prove that the vehicle was being used only for social, domestic or pleasure purposes and not for LEOs to prove that the vehicle was being used for hire and reward.

I can see that this could cause problems for innocent unlicensed drivers in the event of them being unable to provide proof. Presumably enforcement action would only be possible in the first place if there were passengers on board who would simply have to confirm that they were friends of the driver and weren't paying.

If it was a car sharing exercise and the passengers were contributing to fuel costs would this be classed as hire and reward any more than if it was in an unlicensed vehicle?

The LEOs in Cannock Chase simply don't do such grey areas; they have an incredibly absolutist mindset in my experience and tend to take enforcement action on the basis of opportunity not necessity.

I can also envisage unlicensed drivers succcumbing to temptation if someone tries to hire them, especially if the passenger is going the same way or if it is a nice juicy fare. Potentially this proposal could be adverse to the public interest if a little unfair on honest unlicensed drivers.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:28 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
Does that mean anyone one on a full drivers license even without a PH OR TAXI license will can drive one...say a family member?

Yes.


Sounds Practical if not abused..good.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:29 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
Sussex wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
Does that mean anyone one on a full drivers license even without a PH OR TAXI license will can drive one...say a family member?

Yes.


Sounds Practical if not abused..good.


Cant see the Insurerers endorsing the Idea though..what cover would they offer if you werent backed up with a badge?


Stupid or what..Just quoted myself Doh!


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