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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:41 pm 
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You seem to have digressed from the point when you started with the conspiracy theory and 9/11. I think you are suggesting that this was the catalyst for the invasion of Iraq.

I think you will find that the invasion came about after Sadam Husain refused to abide by the sanctions agreed by United Nations Security Council resolution 687 after the first gulf invasion “Desert Storm”. The agreement was that weapons inspectors were to be given full access to inspect facilities to ensure no weapons of mass destruction existed.

I do believe 9/11 created a knee jerk reaction, the USA having suffered the first ever homeland attack from a foreign terrorist aggressor caused panic among senior security advisors that these terrorists should acquire weapons of mass destruction. This I believe was the reason for the second gulf war. Yes, lies were told; but the western allies needed to be sure. Thus the now infamous resolution 1441 was used to justify the invasion.

I’m not even going to bother with the Balkan conflict as it has far too many dimensions to comment on.
It most certainly wasn’t religious beliefs that started the conflict. It was more to do with the independence of the many different regions and Belgrade’s refusing to relinquish ruling these states. The atrocities that occurred were the by- product of these provinces waging war on each other; as it is a factually known that these different cultures and religions were peacefully integrated for many generations.

This leaves your extremist Muslim non-integration analogy of the Balkans and the U.K. at best fiction.

Andy MacNab is possibly one of the U.K's finest and most highly decorated soldiers to serve in the British Army.
I would like you to watch this video of an interview and listen to what he says about organisations such as the BNP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAaIfk48iI



Well at least that was a bit better an answer anyway in terms of discussion,

However,

If you want to talk SAS, this was the top man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARVc7s3e ... re=related, I'm not going to get into it about Andy McNab, he was a good soldier and took one for the team a few times,

Iraq again, the inspectors confirmed there were no WMD's nor chemical weapons in Iraq at the time, they were ignored btw, then you have Robin Cook and how he died,

Yugoslavia was ethnic clensed by Milosovic, and they weren't getting along, I know a white Kosovan Muslim whose basically about as intollerant as intollerant gets, this type of Muslim differs from the fully Islamic one btw, same name for it entirely different outlook, I also know about another eight of them from the region and they all differ from absolutely top bloke to good to know to intollerant, so believe me it's not fiction it's historical fact, it was the same process that started WW2


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:11 pm 
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I've done a lot of things in my time,

Talking boIIocks being the main one.


I think you'll find it was Doom that said that :wink:

The same refers to both of them equally. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:44 pm 
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London Uncensored wrote:

You seem to have digressed from the point when you started with the conspiracy theory and 9/11. I think you are suggesting that this was the catalyst for the invasion of Iraq.

I think you will find that the invasion came about after Sadam Husain refused to abide by the sanctions agreed by United Nations Security Council resolution 687 after the first gulf invasion “Desert Storm”. The agreement was that weapons inspectors were to be given full access to inspect facilities to ensure no weapons of mass destruction existed.

I do believe 9/11 created a knee jerk reaction, the USA having suffered the first ever homeland attack from a foreign terrorist aggressor caused panic among senior security advisors that these terrorists should acquire weapons of mass destruction. This I believe was the reason for the second gulf war. Yes, lies were told; but the western allies needed to be sure. Thus the now infamous resolution 1441 was used to justify the invasion.

I’m not even going to bother with the Balkan conflict as it has far too many dimensions to comment on.
It most certainly wasn’t religious beliefs that started the conflict. It was more to do with the independence of the many different regions and Belgrade’s refusing to relinquish ruling these states. The atrocities that occurred were the by- product of these provinces waging war on each other; as it is a factually known that these different cultures and religions were peacefully integrated for many generations.

This leaves your extremist Muslim non-integration analogy of the Balkans and the U.K. at best fiction.

Andy MacNab is possibly one of the U.K's finest and most highly decorated soldiers to serve in the British Army.
I would like you to watch this video of an interview and listen to what he says about organisations such as the BNP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAaIfk48iI



Well at least that was a bit better an answer anyway in terms of discussion,

However,

If you want to talk SAS, this was the top man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARVc7s3e ... re=related, I'm not going to get into it about Andy McNab, he was a good soldier and took one for the team a few times,

Iraq again, the inspectors confirmed there were no WMD's nor chemical weapons in Iraq at the time, they were ignored btw, then you have Robin Cook and how he died,

Yugoslavia was ethnic clensed by Milosovic, and they weren't getting along, I know a white Kosovan Muslim whose basically about as intollerant as intollerant gets, this type of Muslim differs from the fully Islamic one btw, same name for it entirely different outlook, I also know about another eight of them from the region and they all differ from absolutely top bloke to good to know to intollerant, so believe me it's not fiction it's historical fact, it was the same process that started WW2


Your answers seem to be all based around... "I know a bloke!" and conspiracy theories!
With the greatest of respect I think the dark side of the internet is affecting your thinking.

The reason you really don't want to get into the Andy MacNab thing is because he has ripped the shyte out of the basic fundamentals of the BNP who you have been singing the praises of in your posts. Like he said...

"Their is "NOTHING" patriotic about the BNP and they don't have any values. The only thing they are promoting is racial intolerance!"

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:58 pm 
@ Wee Eddie, it's basically because I don't judge colour nor creed in individuals, I look at what is infront of me and decide if they are any good or not and go from there with people, sometimes I get let down using this method, I like to find out about different cultures as well, by having knowledge you can avoid lost in translation, and that is where man fails, he doesn't talk, he assumes and acts accordingly, that's why you get your wars,

Adding to the Iraq thing, at the time I'm led to believe Iraq was desperate to prove it had none of the weapons it was accused of but obstacles were placed infront of them because certain people wanted to invade Iraq, now I don't even need to like Iraqi's to defend them if they are victim of an unjust attack, personally I feel they were scapegoats for an agenda, and if you dig far enough down it's not even the USA that attacked them, it's the mega wealth families of the USA that did it, arms orders, personal vendettas, weapons testing in a proper theater, support from the public because they believed they were doing a greater good when infact all they did was to put Iraq back in the dark ages, still on the up look how many companies are now flourishing with the big money contracts to re-build Iraq, it's all about money, man is a money pig and he has no morales about it, even the justice system is riddled with it, bank robber gets 20 years, rapist gets 2 years, who did more damage out of the two?

LU, I already told you I'm not a BNP supporter, but I believe those that are should have that right to be if they want to,

I'll set you a test, go to the BNP website and count how many topics are in their manifesto, once you have that double figure number question why when Griffen went on Question Time the focus was only on migration policy, ask why two of the panel were black and the majority of the audience also, does it not strike you someone is worried about them gaining support, the next day the good old honest media had to show how Griffen was slaughtered on the show, I watched it myself and I saw a 300/1 bully exercise take place, and even though Griffen still gave answers and shot a few people down, Jack Straw being one of them, and to add certain people who didn't get the answer they expected looked kinda let down by that, it showed out a mile just who set that show up by the fact the panel had a black American on it, can you explain why a black American lady would be able to offer anything in the way of info when talking about the UK, Baroness Warsi was the other one, basically they sought to show him in a bad light and make the public less likely to support him, that is the democracy we find ourselves living in today isn't it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:20 pm 
wee eddie wrote:
Doom: I'm absolutely staggered by the assortment of friends that you have.

One for every occasion, it seems.



I'll take that as a wee taking comment shall I Eddie, basically I live in a very multi cultural place, my fellow workers range from Asian,Eastern European,Russian and African so you could say I have the world to pick from, now I think you think me a bullsh.tter and if that's what you think so be it, the thing you forget even though I have posted it before is I'm multi myself, I have the blood of 5 different nations in me, including your very own Scotblood, so working on the theory of evolution isn't it obvious that all those little bits make me different to one who simply thinks of himself as English, Scottish or wherever? every generation retains part of the experiences of the last, one thing always baffled me, I have always had a thing for Spannish girls, until recently I didn't know that 3 gens ago one of my great grand mothers was from Spain, hence why I tan easy, don't go fully white in winter and find ladies with brown eyes and black hair quite attractive, it's in my gene pool and there isn't much I can do about it is there.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:37 pm 
Ok, so everyone can get a clearer understanding I'll let this help you decide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJV8mC8 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpkjTn11 ... h_response


Please watch it right through before commenting and remember you are watching one of the finest humans alive today for questioning things in a rational manner, I'm not a fan of Piers and I think this highlights why, if you don't agree with Piers on anything he thinks you are wrong and won't consider any other angle other than his own.


Here's another example of the controllers I want rid of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... 7QXhGLZW00

Listen to what the kid says, he downs others in the same way he gets offended by others opinions, yet as the thick brainwashed c**t that he is he thinks his belief is the only one and all should conform, get a life lonely b0ll0cks.

Enjoy.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:34 pm 
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probably because the name of the religious activity was misspelt in the title which might cause annoyance to some reading this site

so on those grounds admins could you please lock this thread also

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:38 pm 
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probably because the name of the religious activity was misspelt in the title which might cause annoyance to some reading this site

so on those grounds admins could you please lock this thread also



I kind of thought it was wrong but couldn't be arsed to go check it out..It's Ramadan..

But hey...this wouldn't be much of a site if we lived in fear of inadvertently annoying one reader or another, then it would be more a case of Intolerance by the reader than a deliberate act of annoyance by the author.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:09 pm 
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probably because the name of the religious activity was misspelt in the title which might cause annoyance to some reading this site

so on those grounds admins could you please lock this thread also



WTF, why ever would you say that, did you watch any of the video's? and why is it you are so sensitive to discussion, I'll tell you why because you've been conditioned to respond that way that's why,

Let me show you how to live, when reading forums you have to click a button to read what's in a thread, you at that point have the option to click or to not click, if you choose to click you are basically agreeing to want to read the thread aren't you, like it or not you live where freedom of speech still exists to a degree, closing down every thread because you might not agree with the contents of it is absurd, c'mon Ed get real mate there's nothing in those 3 links I left that 1 relates to Muslims, 2 advocates violence and 3 shows anything other than the closed mind of certain types of people, all are white, Catholic,Christian or Agnostic, if you don't discuss you end up a dumb mute in a room for of other dumb mutes, or we can go the other way and I can start complaining about anything I may not agree with and insist it gets shut down,

Personally I've had it up to here with gagger's, since they appeared the whole world is unstable again, intelligence doesn't come from education, it comes from looking around and highlighting where things are wrong, otherwise the likes of Richard Branson would still be doing a £6 ph job wouldn't they,

And personally I've sh>t all these huggy two faced types who seem to know what's best for all yet simply create chaos, prime example, 30 years ago in school one kid got bullied, since the huggies stuck their oar in you now have a class of bullies instead, kids that can't fight on their own, film their classmates in bad situations and upload it so the world can enjoy the shame, so here's to getting back to reality.


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probably because the name of the religious activity was misspelt in the title which might cause annoyance to some reading this site

so on those grounds admins could you please lock this thread also

:badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

I didn't notice; well spotted.

More akin to the Dambusters instead of a religion.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:39 pm 
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Doom wrote:
Ok, so everyone can get a clearer understanding I'll let this help you decide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJV8mC8 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpkjTn11 ... h_response


Please watch it right through before commenting and remember you are watching one of the finest humans alive today for questioning things in a rational manner, I'm not a fan of Piers and I think this highlights why, if you don't agree with Piers on anything he thinks you are wrong and won't consider any other angle other than his own.


Here's another example of the controllers I want rid of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&featu ... 7QXhGLZW00

Listen to what the kid says, he downs others in the same way he gets offended by others opinions, yet as the thick brainwashed c**t that he is he thinks his belief is the only one and all should conform, get a life lonely b0ll0cks.

Enjoy.


Why, oh why, do you always have to use the lowest possible denominator to make a point ?

Your selection of videos portray an angry teenage bigoted idiot, a self publicist and other selected idiots that help to make Piers Morgan a wealthy man. This matter only appeals to those with a very small intellect. The kind of people that can be easily manipulated.

By saying these are the people I want rid of-what do you mean ?

How and what way do you want to dispose of them ?

If you really want a discussion about theology and religion why don't we talk about the joy, happiness, fulfilment, family values, fellowship and many other joys religion brings to many millions of peoples lives throughout the World.

Could it be that you have never been introduced to a radical preacher that you can identify with. I will help you.
Barry Smith unfortunately is no longer alive. Watch his videos, he preaches theories that you will be able to identify with.
Enjoy. LU

Start with this one... You will love it !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpJtJ_tMUmo

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:51 pm 
When I say get rid of I mean remove their influence on people,

The 1st two are about Penn Gillette anyway, Morgan is a by product in it tbh, but he does preach and he also talks over the answer he asked for so a perfect example of who I'm on about, but basically Penn has been on my radar for 25 years since he appeared in a Miami Vice episode, and having followed his career as a magician and listened to what he has to say and he's a gem, he like me doesn't say you should obey, he says like me you should have the choice to or not, and that is basically my message,

The kid imo is potential KKK material, he doesn't like commies, insists on you must take Jesus onboard and has that neo crackpot look about him,

I will have a look at the preacher later, I don't have time now but thx for the heads up anyway


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:10 am 
I've just watched some of Barry Smith and I have to say it looks like death stole from us again,

This is the thing with some people they strike me as instantly straight, agendaless, Gillette is the same, as is Clarkson, if and when Clarkson has an agenda it's normally to downfall someone else who does have an agenda, and I have enjoyed some Christopher Hitchens material as well, the tube is a great place to really have a look and listen, I like listening to Galloway, if there was ever a man of deceit hiding behind a good guy image it's him, he patronises and speaks over anyone who might make him look what he is, anyway I'm going to have some more of Barry Smith as he did sound like a man who could spot a ruse from a mile away.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:10 am 
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I've just watched some of Barry Smith and I have to say it looks like death stole from us again,

This is the thing with some people they strike me as instantly straight, agendaless, Gillette is the same, as is Clarkson, if and when Clarkson has an agenda it's normally to downfall someone else who does have an agenda, and I have enjoyed some Christopher Hitchens material as well, the tube is a great place to really have a look and listen, I like listening to Galloway, if there was ever a man of deceit hiding behind a good guy image it's him, he patronises and speaks over anyone who might make him look what he is, anyway I'm going to have some more of Barry Smith as he did sound like a man who could spot a ruse from a mile away.


Barry Smith is a great loss and one of the finest preachers I have ever listened to. He broaches many areas of religion with concise theology and reasoning. Watch all of his videos, they are invaluable. He was preaching and exposing theories with fact in 1993. Many of his preachings and prophecies are just hitting the headlines today as reality... this is difficult for any sceptic to dispel.

His legacy will live for a long time... More later.

I'm glad we have found some ground of common interest. LU.

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