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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:15 am 
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So I'm curious as to what laws they've broken??

I suspect quite a few, but what is your LO doing about it?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:03 pm 
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Answer this:

If a PH driver is hailed from the street can he stop and pick up the fare; if not why ?

Can a PH hire driver go onto a station car park or Hackney Carriage rank and pick up. If not why ?

If there is a line of PH vehicles parked on a public highway, drivers in or outside waiting to be hired. Is this a rank or not ?

If a PH driver is sitting on a public highway and a member of the general public approaches the driver and asks if he is available and he asks where are they going. Has he committed an offence ?

If he does accept the fare after asking the person where they are going. What laws has he breached if any ?
And if consequently there is an accident and the passenger, himself and his car is damaged what could happen ?

It does appear that many of you that are wading in with abuse know perfectly what PH/mini-cabs can and can't do regarding plying for hire.

Answers to questions:

1. Private Hire/mini-cabs cannot ply for hire.
2. Private Hire/mini-cabs cannot ply for hire.
3. Yes, it is an illegal rank. Private Hire cannot sit on a public highway for the purpose of immediate hiring.
4. Yes, TOUTING.
5. Plying illegally for hire, TOUTING and driving with no insurance.

No definitive explanation of plying for hire eh. Now go and get your shine box! :D

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:43 pm 
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This is so petty but if it makes you feel superior I'll play your silly game and answer the questions :roll:

London Uncensored wrote:
If a PH driver is hailed from the street can he stop and pick up the fare; if not why ?


No they can't because they aren't a taxi. Wrong, PH cannot ply for hire

London Uncensored wrote:
Can a PH hire driver go onto a station car park or Hackney Carriage rank and pick up. If not why ?


They can't pick up on a rank as this contravenes section 64.3 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976. I see no reason or know of any legislation that prevents them from going into a car park or to a pick up and drop off area provided by a station. They can indeed go into a car park and pick up a pre-booked job and drop off passengers too. But what they can't do is sit there and wait making the car visible to the general public for immediate hiring !

London Uncensored wrote:
If there is a line of PH vehicles parked on a public highway, drivers in or outside waiting to be hired. Is this a rank or not ?


In or outside what? Their vehicles. This constitutes an illegal rank !

London Uncensored wrote:
If a PH driver is sitting on a public highway and a member of the general public approaches the driver and asks if he is available and he asks where are they going. Has he committed an offence ?


No the driver has just asked the person where they are going. If however the driver then allows the person to be conveyed in the vehicle the driver would be committing an offence. Wrong he is TOUTING and if he took the job he would be driving without insurance !

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If he does accept the fare after asking the person where they are going. What laws has he breached if any ?
And if consequently there is an accident and the passenger, himself and his car is damaged what could happen ?


Clearly the driver would be in breach of the town police clauses act of 1847 for which s.45 explains the penalty and of the private hire conditions of licence. With regard to the insurance issue that would depend entirely on what insurance the driver has but the passenger is always insured. If the driver does not have the correct insurance then they could also be charged with driving without insurance. You keep quoting the Town Police clauses Act because illegally plying for hire is sticking in your throat and you are so vain you can't write it. Isn't it funny how you recognise TOUTING and driving without insurance in this question but not the one before !

I've answered them but I fail to see what relevance they have to this thread.
Because I asked where the cars would be parked for this mini-cab office and if they were on full view to the public for immediate hiring. It's what is called a debate and that's what happens in debates !

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No you plonker


There's no need for name calling now is there

Well it was a silly comment you made and clearly shows that you know something about the job that you do. But not enough to operate. That's why PH need NVQ's. Then they can never say they didn't understand !

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The reason why you refuse to answer the questions I put forward is simple. YOU CANT, without making yourself look a complete idiot. This is the same reason Sussex departed with his tail between his legs to another thread.


The reason I didn't answer the question was because somebody already had and I don't need you to make me look like an idiot I can do that all by myself as evidently so can you

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I'm not interested in who was found not guilty of a breach in the Hackney Carriage law. These are the people that you are trying to use to justify your claims.


I think you should at least read some of the cases so you may understand why they were found not guilty and I don't remember making any claims that I need to justify :?

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The case law I have quoted is from numerous cases of mini-cab operators and proprietors that have challenged legislation and failed in the high courts.


Your point is what exactly? If they're doing something illegal then of course they're going to fail

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I have quoted mine and you have used a guy parking up to take a p*ss !


I never mentioned any guy parking up to take a p*ss, I think you're taking the p*ss though :wink:

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There is currently NO "Case Law" from private hire or mini-cabs that has successfully challenged Hackney Carriage legislation. Your claims are fraudulent and a deliberate attempt to mislead readers !


I haven't made any claims I have no idea what you're rabbiting on about tbh and again I question the relevance to this thread about a ph office being sited in Liverpool :?

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F*ck me is anyone a Hackney carriage driver on here ? Or, are you all mini-cabs posting on a Taxi driver forum because it makes you feel like a Licensed Taxi driver ?


Well I for one do not feel like a licensed taxi driver because I post on here even though I am but if it makes me like you I'm glad I'm not driving a taxi :lol:
Me Too, get an NVQ :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:48 pm 
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London Uncensored wrote:

F*ck me is anyone a Hackney carriage driver on here ? Or, are you all mini-cabs posting on a Taxi driver forum because it makes you feel like a Licensed Taxi driver ?



I've probably driven taxis longer than you :wink:
I doubt it. What you drive are the sh*t carts that used to be driven by professionally trained drivers in London. You drive what were taxi's :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:49 pm 
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LU wrote:
Can a PH hire driver go onto a station car park or Hackney Carriage rank and pick up. If not why ?
2. Private Hire/mini-cabs cannot ply for hire.


You never said they where going to ply for hire, you said they where going to pick up. It is perfectly legal for ph to go into a station to pick up but not from a rank. I think you need to be a little more specific. If what you want to know is do ph know it's illegal for them to ply for hire then I think you'll find that the members of this forum know it is.

Again I ask what is the relevance of these petty questions to the point of this thread about a ph office being sited in Liverpool. If you want all the roads to yourselves then I suggest you restrict your area to that of your playpen and stick to scalextric :wink:

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London Uncensored wrote:
toots wrote:
This is so petty but if it makes you feel superior I'll play your silly game and answer the questions :roll:

London Uncensored wrote:
If a PH driver is hailed from the street can he stop and pick up the fare; if not why ?


No they can't because they aren't a taxi. Wrong, PH cannot ply for hire

London Uncensored wrote:
Can a PH hire driver go onto a station car park or Hackney Carriage rank and pick up. If not why ?


They can't pick up on a rank as this contravenes section 64.3 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976. I see no reason or know of any legislation that prevents them from going into a car park or to a pick up and drop off area provided by a station. They can indeed go into a car park and pick up a pre-booked job and drop off passengers too. But what they can't do is sit there and wait making the car visible to the general public for immediate hiring !

London Uncensored wrote:
If there is a line of PH vehicles parked on a public highway, drivers in or outside waiting to be hired. Is this a rank or not ?


In or outside what? Their vehicles. This constitutes an illegal rank !

London Uncensored wrote:
If a PH driver is sitting on a public highway and a member of the general public approaches the driver and asks if he is available and he asks where are they going. Has he committed an offence ?


No the driver has just asked the person where they are going. If however the driver then allows the person to be conveyed in the vehicle the driver would be committing an offence. Wrong he is TOUTING and if he took the job he would be driving without insurance !

London Uncensored wrote:
If he does accept the fare after asking the person where they are going. What laws has he breached if any ?
And if consequently there is an accident and the passenger, himself and his car is damaged what could happen ?


Clearly the driver would be in breach of the town police clauses act of 1847 for which s.45 explains the penalty and of the private hire conditions of licence. With regard to the insurance issue that would depend entirely on what insurance the driver has but the passenger is always insured. If the driver does not have the correct insurance then they could also be charged with driving without insurance. You keep quoting the Town Police clauses Act because illegally plying for hire is sticking in your throat and you are so vain you can't write it. Isn't it funny how you recognise TOUTING and driving without insurance in this question but not the one before !

I've answered them but I fail to see what relevance they have to this thread.
Because I asked where the cars would be parked for this mini-cab office and if they were on full view to the public for immediate hiring. It's what is called a debate and that's what happens in debates !

London Uncensored wrote:
No you plonker


There's no need for name calling now is there

Well it was a silly comment you made and clearly shows that you know something about the job that you do. But not enough to operate. That's why PH need NVQ's. Then they can never say they didn't understand !

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The reason why you refuse to answer the questions I put forward is simple. YOU CANT, without making yourself look a complete idiot. This is the same reason Sussex departed with his tail between his legs to another thread.


The reason I didn't answer the question was because somebody already had and I don't need you to make me look like an idiot I can do that all by myself as evidently so can you

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I'm not interested in who was found not guilty of a breach in the Hackney Carriage law. These are the people that you are trying to use to justify your claims.


I think you should at least read some of the cases so you may understand why they were found not guilty and I don't remember making any claims that I need to justify :?

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The case law I have quoted is from numerous cases of mini-cab operators and proprietors that have challenged legislation and failed in the high courts.


Your point is what exactly? If they're doing something illegal then of course they're going to fail

LU wrote:
I have quoted mine and you have used a guy parking up to take a p*ss !


I never mentioned any guy parking up to take a p*ss, I think you're taking the p*ss though :wink:

LU wrote:
There is currently NO "Case Law" from private hire or mini-cabs that has successfully challenged Hackney Carriage legislation. Your claims are fraudulent and a deliberate attempt to mislead readers !


I haven't made any claims I have no idea what you're rabbiting on about tbh and again I question the relevance to this thread about a ph office being sited in Liverpool :?

LU wrote:
F*ck me is anyone a Hackney carriage driver on here ? Or, are you all mini-cabs posting on a Taxi driver forum because it makes you feel like a Licensed Taxi driver ?


Well I for one do not feel like a licensed taxi driver because I post on here even though I am but if it makes me like you I'm glad I'm not driving a taxi :lol:
Me Too, get an NVQ :badgrin:

You are telling Toots to get an NVQ!!!! :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:55 pm 
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LU wrote:
Can a PH hire driver go onto a station car park or Hackney Carriage rank and pick up. If not why ?
2. Private Hire/mini-cabs cannot ply for hire.


You never said they where going to ply for hire, you said they where going to pick up. It is perfectly legal for ph to go into a station to pick up but not from a rank. I think you need to be a little more specific. If what you want to know is do ph know it's illegal for them to ply for hire then I think you'll find that the members of this forum know it is.

Again I ask what is the relevance of these petty questions to the point of this thread about a ph office being sited in Liverpool. If you want all the roads to yourselves then I suggest you restrict your area to that of your playpen and stick to scalextric :wink:


Yet more insults ! Toots old boy, you are clutching at straws and you know, as does everyone else. You have lost the argument !
Why do I have to explain everything to you two and three times ? It's like trying to train a monkey. Then again you are PH :badgrin:

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Gandad said:You are telling Toots to get an NVQ!!!!


Absolutely !

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:06 pm 
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London Uncensored wrote:
toots wrote:
This is so petty but if it makes you feel superior I'll play your silly game and answer the questions :roll:

London Uncensored wrote:
If a PH driver is hailed from the street can he stop and pick up the fare; if not why ?


No they can't because they aren't a taxi. Wrong, PH cannot ply for hire

That's because they're not a taxi you muppet :roll:

London Uncensored wrote:
Can a PH hire driver go onto a station car park or Hackney Carriage rank and pick up. If not why ?


They can't pick up on a rank as this contravenes section 64.3 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976. I see no reason or know of any legislation that prevents them from going into a car park or to a pick up and drop off area provided by a station. They can indeed go into a car park and pick up a pre-booked job and drop off passengers too. But what they can't do is sit there and wait making the car visible to the general public for immediate hiring !

That's not what you asked though is it :roll:

London Uncensored wrote:
If there is a line of PH vehicles parked on a public highway, drivers in or outside waiting to be hired. Is this a rank or not ?


In or outside what? Their vehicles. This constitutes an illegal rank !


London Uncensored wrote:
If a PH driver is sitting on a public highway and a member of the general public approaches the driver and asks if he is available and he asks where are they going. Has he committed an offence ?


No the driver has just asked the person where they are going. If however the driver then allows the person to be conveyed in the vehicle the driver would be committing an offence. Wrong he is TOUTING and if he took the job he would be driving without insurance !

London Uncensored wrote:
If he does accept the fare after asking the person where they are going. What laws has he breached if any ?
And if consequently there is an accident and the passenger, himself and his car is damaged what could happen ?


Clearly the driver would be in breach of the town police clauses act of 1847 for which s.45 explains the penalty and of the private hire conditions of licence. With regard to the insurance issue that would depend entirely on what insurance the driver has but the passenger is always insured. If the driver does not have the correct insurance then they could also be charged with driving without insurance. You keep quoting the Town Police clauses Act because illegally plying for hire is sticking in your throat and you are so vain you can't write it. Isn't it funny how you recognise TOUTING and driving without insurance in this question but not the one before !

I quoted the town police clauses act because you asked what laws would be broken. It doesn't stick in my throat at all it's not something I've ever done tbh I've never needed to. If I want to pick up off the streets I'll use my taxi license and do it. The one before was just being asked a question, it's not illegal to answer it, until another action is taken :roll:

I've answered them but I fail to see what relevance they have to this thread.
Because I asked where the cars would be parked for this mini-cab office and if they were on full view to the public for immediate hiring. It's what is called a debate and that's what happens in debates !

Nobody knows until the flamin thing is built ffs you cannot presume all ph are the same, just as we cannot presume all taxis are the same. I've seen taxis illegally ply their trade :roll:

London Uncensored wrote:
No you plonker


There's no need for name calling now is there

Well it was a silly comment you made and clearly shows that you know something about the job that you do. But not enough to operate. That's why PH need NVQ's. Then they can never say they didn't understand !

Of course they do because we all know what the NVQ course provides don't we

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The reason why you refuse to answer the questions I put forward is simple. YOU CANT, without making yourself look a complete idiot. This is the same reason Sussex departed with his tail between his legs to another thread.


The reason I didn't answer the question was because somebody already had and I don't need you to make me look like an idiot I can do that all by myself as evidently so can you

LU wrote:
I'm not interested in who was found not guilty of a breach in the Hackney Carriage law. These are the people that you are trying to use to justify your claims.


I think you should at least read some of the cases so you may understand why they were found not guilty and I don't remember making any claims that I need to justify :?

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The case law I have quoted is from numerous cases of mini-cab operators and proprietors that have challenged legislation and failed in the high courts.


Your point is what exactly? If they're doing something illegal then of course they're going to fail

LU wrote:
I have quoted mine and you have used a guy parking up to take a p*ss !


I never mentioned any guy parking up to take a p*ss, I think you're taking the p*ss though :wink:

LU wrote:
There is currently NO "Case Law" from private hire or mini-cabs that has successfully challenged Hackney Carriage legislation. Your claims are fraudulent and a deliberate attempt to mislead readers !


I haven't made any claims I have no idea what you're rabbiting on about tbh and again I question the relevance to this thread about a ph office being sited in Liverpool :?

LU wrote:
F*ck me is anyone a Hackney carriage driver on here ? Or, are you all mini-cabs posting on a Taxi driver forum because it makes you feel like a Licensed Taxi driver ?


Well I for one do not feel like a licensed taxi driver because I post on here even though I am but if it makes me like you I'm glad I'm not driving a taxi :lol:
Me Too, get an NVQ :badgrin:


Again you are presuming things you know nothing about :roll:

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LU wrote:
Can a PH hire driver go onto a station car park or Hackney Carriage rank and pick up. If not why ?
2. Private Hire/mini-cabs cannot ply for hire.


You never said they where going to ply for hire, you said they where going to pick up. It is perfectly legal for ph to go into a station to pick up but not from a rank. I think you need to be a little more specific. If what you want to know is do ph know it's illegal for them to ply for hire then I think you'll find that the members of this forum know it is.

Again I ask what is the relevance of these petty questions to the point of this thread about a ph office being sited in Liverpool. If you want all the roads to yourselves then I suggest you restrict your area to that of your playpen and stick to scalextric :wink:


Yet more insults ! Toots old boy, you are clutching at straws and you know, as does everyone else. You have lost the argument !
Why do I have to explain everything to you two and three times ? It's like trying to train a monkey. Then again you are PH :badgrin:


I'm not insulting you anymore than you are insulting me. You really shouldn't make assumptions when you don't know the facts it makes you look silly you old tart :lol: I don't understand what argument you're on about I thought it was a civilized debate :roll: I personally think you're just trying to big yourself up and impress people with your 'knowledge', if it makes you feel better I'm impressed beyond the vajazzle :lol: :lol: :lol:

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vajazzle + the NVQ, that = two things you don't possess Mr ... :lol: :lol: :D

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London Uncensored wrote:
Answers to questions:

1. Private Hire/mini-cabs cannot ply for hire.
2. Private Hire/mini-cabs cannot ply for hire.
3. Yes, it is an illegal rank. Private Hire cannot sit on a public highway for the purpose of immediate hiring.
4. Yes, TOUTING.
5. Plying illegally for hire, TOUTING and driving with no insurance.

They might be answers to some questions, but they aren't answers to the questions you posed.

Methinks you need to read a few proper books and stop taking what you read on blogs as being a true reflection of the law.

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I doubt it. What you drive are the sh*t carts that used to be driven by professionally trained drivers in London. You drive what were taxi's :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

Oh dear, I often wonder why London cabbies are always at each others throats, you give an example why.

Lose an argument, have a pop at those opposing your views.

Yet another fool who thinks having a good memory makes you a good cabby.

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Yet another fool who thinks having a good memory makes you a good cabby.



Yep, confuses 'the knowledge' with knowledge. ](*,)

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vajazzle + the NVQ, that = two things you don't possess Mr ... :lol: :lol: :D


What 2 thinks would they?

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