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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:58 pm 
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The answer to the problem of all the Sites closing at the same time is the same as the the Australian answer to "6 o'Clock Swill".

Change the closing time to so late that half the kids have gone home long before the Club is required to close. You can only party all night, now and again, many of the places will find staying open all night uneconomic, so, some will decide to close at earlier times.

That's what Paris did, Clubs were allowed to stay open 24 hours a day, if they wished. Of course they had to convince the Authorities that they were able to service the site properly during each 24 hour period. We used to go to one that was open 24 hours a day, 6 days a week. People just went home when they were tired or ran out of money. Considering the prices, the second was the more likely than the first. But people just drifted off when they chose.

I don't know what happens there now. That was in the 60's.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:18 pm 
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New York has it right, common sense eh, price out the gangsters and hey presto a system that works :D Or does New York have it wrong and Jasbar is right, fecking hell call mayor Bloomberg Jasber is typing up an e-mail :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:40 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
New York has it right, common sense eh, price out the gangsters and hey presto a system that works :D Or does New York have it wrong and Jasbar is right, fecking hell call mayor Bloomberg Jasber is typing up an e-mail :lol: :lol: :lol:


Nope, can't see our competition hiking their prices, can you?

That'll be another failure for you then Dougie. Consistent to a tee, aren't you :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:13 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:

So, tell us again, why is the number of taxis in Edinburgh artificially restricted?



To ensure the best possible service for the taxi user.

Unless you are telling us now that you agree with the free market principles you claim to despise?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:58 pm 
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So, how does restriction provide the best possible service to customers?

And how does unlimited licensing in every other are of the local authorities empire not reduce the service to their customers?

I'm all ears CC.

Restriction breeds corruption.

BTW You're not a mason are you?

=D>

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:32 pm 
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Dear Mr Taylor

Thank you for your e-mail.

It is correct that there are limits on black cabs, but not private hires. Ms Dugdale appreciates your concerns and has recently had correspondence with Edinburgh City Council regarding this matter, following contact from constituents worried that standards and the safety of private hires is lower.

Ms Dugdale has called on the council to conduct an inquiry into taxis and licensing, and we await a response to this. As soon as a reply has been received I will forward this to you for information.

If we can assist further with this or any other matter, please do not hesitate to contact me.

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Alan MacKenzie
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Shadow Minister for Youth Employment
Lothian Region (Labour & Co-op)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:09 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
So, how does restriction provide the best possible service to customers?

And how does unlimited licensing in every other are of the local authorities empire not reduce the service to their customers?

I'm all ears CC.

Restriction breeds corruption.

BTW You're not a mason are you?

=D>



I asked you first.

No I'm a Casey :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:07 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
So, how does restriction provide the best possible service to customers?

And how does unlimited licensing in every other are of the local authorities empire not reduce the service to their customers?

I'm all ears CC.

Restriction breeds corruption.

BTW You're not a mason are you?

=D>



I asked you first.

No I'm a Casey :wink:


er, no. I actually asked the question first.

have you tried popping a tad more water in your elixir of happiness?

:badgrin:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:26 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:

have you tried popping a tad more water in your elixir of happiness?

:badgrin:


philistine

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:55 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Jasbar wrote:

have you tried popping a tad more water in your elixir of happiness?

:badgrin:


philistine


Yup, you're right. Forget the water.

But not the restriction. We should never forget the restriction.

Girls have been harmed because of the restriction.

We should never forget the restriction.

BTW Met the archetypal restriction succubus on the road. Dougie was reversing up Picardy Place, which is blocked off at one end and stappit fu' of parked cars. I was trying to turn around. If he had allowed me to do so he could have made his manouevre quite easily.

But Dougie is arrogant. He was only concerned with what he wanted to do. A bit like his attitude to the taxi trade. So, he continued reversing making it more difficult for me, and my passengers as well obviously.

He clearly wouldn't know it was me at the time, so it wasn't personal. This just has to be his natural driving style. I'm all right jack, get oot the road.

#-o

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Jasbar wrote:

have you tried popping a tad more water in your elixir of happiness?

:badgrin:


philistine


Yup, you're right. Forget the water.




We're not going to agree on the rest of your post, but its refreshing to see we share the same opinion of water :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:04 pm 
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You saying girls haven't been harmed?
:?:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:41 am 
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wee eddie wrote:
I am in an Unrestricted Area.

When the Clubs come out, there will always be insufficient Taxis to handle the rush. Regardless of the number of Plates available.

So I repeat what I said with a difference. You're talking emotional tosh, in an attempt to justify your argument.

If it is any consolation, I agree with you.

Restriction is wrong, but then De-Restriction leads to a plethora of vehicles and no-one gets sufficient business to survive in the luxury to which they have become accustomed!

I think that there is no correct solution.

Maybe London has it right. Make the entry qualification so hard that only a few have the memory to pass.





I hate to urinate on Jims fire, but there's also a lack of taxis in London after Midnight within this perfect taxi business model.

Drivers don't want drunks in their taxis, its really that simple, rented, owned or otherwise.

Days are more popular as punters are pleasant, nights are more financialy lucrative but you have to deal with the mongs.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:01 am 
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GBC wrote:
wee eddie wrote:
I am in an Unrestricted Area.

When the Clubs come out, there will always be insufficient Taxis to handle the rush. Regardless of the number of Plates available.

So I repeat what I said with a difference. You're talking emotional tosh, in an attempt to justify your argument.

If it is any consolation, I agree with you.

Restriction is wrong, but then De-Restriction leads to a plethora of vehicles and no-one gets sufficient business to survive in the luxury to which they have become accustomed!

I think that there is no correct solution.

Maybe London has it right. Make the entry qualification so hard that only a few have the memory to pass.





I hate to urinate on Jims fire, but there's also a lack of taxis in London after Midnight within this perfect taxi business model.

Drivers don't want drunks in their taxis, its really that simple, rented, owned or otherwise.

Days are more popular as punters are pleasant, nights are more financialy lucrative but you have to deal with the mongs.


You're not "urinating on Jim's fire", just not understanding what we've always said.

De-restriction is not the panacea for all customer problems in getting a cab when they need one. It may well be always be difficult, for the reasons you've outlined. But those reasons require different solutions, many of which we've also offered solutions to.

What we've always said is that no council can claim to be protecting public safety unless and until they've done everything they possibly can to protect public safety. Artificially restricting the availability of taxis to protect their own and the few in the trade's interests falls well below this benchmark.

This is the point that will be made to the next victim of the taxi licence restriction. We will be doing everything possible to ensure that our council pays for their abuse of power at the expense of an innocent public. We don't want it to happen, but if and when it does, we are ready to inflict the maximum damage to the council generally and the individuals within it.

For me, taxi licence restriction goes beyond the taxi trade. It speaks volumes about the way our council works. It's supposed to be democratically accountable. It is quite onviously NOT.

Ask any council why they restrict taxis they won't tell you. They'll tell you there is a policy to restrict in place, but they won't tell you why.

The reason is because this simple question strikes at the very heart of the arrogant way councils conduct themselves. Politicians do not like having to explain themselves, because to do so curtails their abuse of their power.

Like the "fit and proper" phrase they use to stiff licence holders. There is no definition. This is deliberate. because to define it would curtail their broad brush power. As things stand, they can decide whatever they like. They can treat two cases the same, quite differently. They can use the lack of definition to abuse those who disagree with them. And this is why we should all speak out about their abuse. Because it flies in the face of every democratic ideal we're supposed to have in our country. The way Edinburgh's council has conducted itself over the years embodies the same secretive and totalitarian actions that any fascist power would have been proud of. But not what we believe should be the case in our allegedly "democratic" Britain.

Politicians at local level are unaccountable. The system serves to protect councillors abusing their power.

If Hillsborough showed us anything, it confirms this. The system there rapidly conspired to protect itself and those who serve it.

For me, the current argument about taxi licence restriction in Edinburgh isn't about acquiring a licence, the game's knackered anyway. It's about the legacy of a political system which is failing. And always has failed. And it's about wresting power away from those who readily abuse it. Our councillors.

And they know this. Which is why reason and logic is not deciding the fight. It's stoic entrenchment by morally bankrupt politicians resisting the loss of the power they relish abusing which is delaying the inevitable.

But politicians should listen. If history tells us anything, it's failure by our elected representatives to listen which has always led directly to civil strife in our land.

And, with the backdrop of government's economic failure, such unrest seems ever more likely.

BTW I had a couple in the car last night from Stranraer. just an ordinary couple. I spoke of my disatisfaction with government, national and local, and pointed to the fact that I would never vote again. They wholeheartedly agreed. There is a strong undercurrent of disdain for our politicians.

They would do well to listen.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:38 pm 
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A recent case, published in the Daily Telegraph, (sept 12th) highlighted the unfortunate case of a Student who was beaten and raped after a night out in Nottingham. The bus driver refused to let her travel on the bus, because she was 20p short of the £5 fare (for a 14 mile journey) he refused to wait whilst she went to a nearby ATM. He refused to let her off the outstanding 20p (incedentally against company policy) other passengers ignored her plea for help by loaning (or giving) her 20p. She called her Mother who was driving to meet her when she started walking, and was then brutally assaulted. So who was to blame for this tragic event? The bus driver who would not let her off the 20p? The other passengers who ignored her plea for help? Personally, I have let passengers off with a 20p (or more) shortfall on dozens and dozens of occaisions.

There was only one person responsible, and that was the rapist.

But a little compassion would go along way.

Did she flag down a Taxi? It would seem not. Would the driver have taken her home if she had done so? Who knows.

But this attack had NOTHING to do with the number of available taxi's, did it?

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