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Let me get this straight.
The whole tragedy had absolutley nothing to do with the fans outside the ground. The fact that there were thousands of fans both inside and outside the ground with either no ticket or an invalid ticket for the game.
When it became apparent that those thousands of fans outside the ground, many of whom probably had valid tickets but were unable to get in because the ground was already full, decided that they were going to get into the ground come hell or high water, What were the police supposed to do?
The only truly innocent people in this tragedy are probably the 96 who died.
Yes, the changing of statements was wholly unacceptable and maybe some charges should be brought against those concerned but the so called fans who were there without a valid ticket need to also accept their share of the blame and I have never heard any of them own up.

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Grandad,

Have any of them ever admitted to trying to get into the ground without a valid ticket?

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Grandad,

Agreed on the above but the burning question is like GBC said, what about the fans who turned up hell bent on getting in for nothing. CCTV re-runs of the Leppings Lane end were beamed to the country and the world after the game showing hundreds of fans climbing the walls and thousands of fans pushing towards the gates at the Leppings Lane end. These weren't mentioned in the final report.

The ones who died were proper fans who had tickets as they were already in the ground at the time.

Obviously I was refering to the ones who were hell bent on getting into the ground. I did say the 96 who died were innocent.

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Grandad,

Well the clips I watched all them years ago said "most if not all of the fans with tickets were in the ground at kick off time". The ones outside were ticketless.

I have to be honest I know nothing of fans 'hell bent in getting in for nothing'. I do know that not all the fans that had tickets had got in when people started pushing to get in. If footy matches are anything like concerts there are always people who will go last minute to try and get a ticket, most likely from a tout or whatever. The end of the day is mistakes where made by lots of people and people died, it's not right to cover it all up and it shouldn't take 23 bloody years to find out who covered up what. We learn from mistakes mostly, but, if those mistakes are covered up how are we supposed to learn from them? Fortunately we have learnt some things otherwise we wouldn't have all seater stadiums and better crowd control, I believe even the fans have learnt something.

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They haven't learnt to take responsibility for their actions though have they! If so called fans had not travelled without tickets then the whole thing would not have happened. Not one so called fan who tried to get into the ground without a ticket has ever appologised to the families of the ones that died for their actions. These are the people that caused the deaths.THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE!

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Grandad,

Dementia Rules OK!!

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That has to be the best post in the whole 20+ years of people asking who was to blame.

None of those people deserved to die, and I understand why the families wish to do what they are doing, and have done. I'm not criticizing any of them for that.

Huge mistakes were made, but I'm still not sure in myself if the game was Arsenal v Notts Forest the same situation would have occurred.

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Had the game been between Arsenal and Nottm Forest it wouldn't have been played at Hillsborough.

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Grandad,

There will be no justice on this issue until EVERY corrupt Police Officer involved is locked up and that wont happen.

This just another revelation in a long line of revelations on police, state, VIOLENCE and corruption often revealed 20 or 30 years after the event as were these below

The Birmingham 6
The Guildford 4
The Winchester 3
The Battle of Orgreave.
Police attacks upon pickets at Wapping
Police attacks upon poll tax demonstrators
and of course Bloody Sunday.

Theres a long and consistent history of the Police in this country of attacking physically innocent people and killing them of being neo fascist in their activities and being corrupt, and surprise surprise nothing has changed for recently we on here debated the MURDER of an innocent civilian recorded for all to see!

Ignore it at your peril for we all need an honest caring Police Service unfortunately history reveals we have just the opposite in our Country.

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Many mistakes were made that day, that is not in doubt.
96 people died, that also, is not in doubt.
It is clear that the blame for these deaths can be laid at the doors of everyone from the government and FA, to the police, local authority and yes some of the fans.
I doubt any of these parties planned for this tragedy to happen, although their actions all contributed towards it.

This cover up is a different matter altogether.
It happened in the cold light of day and was the deliberate actions of people who knew exactly what they were doing. A calculated exercise in buck passing and arse covering, with the intention of deceiving the public and shifting the blame.
For that there can be no excuse. Those responsible for that should be hung out to dry.

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So it's your belief that if the fans without tickets apologise to the families that will make everything OK... it was the police's job to control the crowds... that is what they were there for...

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!