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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:37 pm 
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It's worth pointing out that serious breaches can be criminal offences.

And going bankrupt doesn't save you from that.


who mentioned bankruptcy? and do you know the cost of a criminal court case? a QC costs £500/hr...

The headline says "Firm ordered to pay arrears", Firm meaning the company, doesnt matter if they were drivers or cleaners, its the Ltd company that liable

Mr Quinn is just another employee

He (as a director) isnt liable for the debts of the company, if he was a sole trader he would be.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:39 pm 
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I know of just ONE case where "company liquidation" didnt save the dodgy directors, where Company house FORCED the directors to reform a ltd company dissolved to dodge debts, buts rarer than hens teeth

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:18 pm 
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who mentioned bankruptcy? and do you know the cost of a criminal court case? a QC costs £500/hr...

We are talking Min Wages breaches here not murder.

Cost of a CPS Lawyer in a Mags court about a 10th of that.

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Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
who mentioned bankruptcy? and do you know the cost of a criminal court case? a QC costs £500/hr...

We are talking Min Wages breaches here not murder.

Cost of a CPS Lawyer in a Mags court about a 10th of that.


and as a low paid employee Mr Quinn would be entitled to legal aid....lol (and tax credits)

if it had merit why did HMRC go for just a CCJ?

nope, not a penny will be paid, trust me

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his website claims to have/shows images of 16 seaters, but i cant find any ops licences on the VOSA searches

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wannabeeahack wrote:
and as a low paid employee Mr Quinn would be entitled to legal aid....lol (and tax credits)

I very much doubt it.

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if it had merit why did HMRC go for just a CCJ?

First step.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:33 am 
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Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
if it had merit why did HMRC go for just a CCJ?

First step.


not quite, cos the case has been heard, you cant be charged twice for the same event can you?

the County Courts are a joke, ive never had 1 penny back off any of the cases ive put through, and likewise ive not paid a penny for a case made against me, heard and adjucated in the other parties favour

and THAT was HMRC for £10,000............fook of taxman..........

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:35 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
and as a low paid employee Mr Quinn would be entitled to legal aid....lol (and tax credits)

I very much doubt it.



why?

as a director and on £90 a week (remember HE can pay himself PAYE what he wants..or NOTHING) and quailfy for help, WFTC, prescriptions, housing benefit, etc, etc......and SSP for 26 weeks a year


just dont ask how i know :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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wannabeeahack wrote:
The COMPANY employed the drivers and is an autonomous entity, Mr Quinn, even as a director is not responsible, the company is

BUT - look when it was incorporated... Date of Incorporation: 28/06/2011

just in time for the court case?


There is provision in law to stop people doing that the court does not have to recognize the new company status if it was changed AFTER the start of the investigation. It was to stop people transferring all their assets into their wives name to get out of bankruptcy but applies across the board I believe that Mr Quinn will still be liable as the Limited company was only set up after the wage arrears were incurred

If I remember correctly wasn't that the situation at Stansted Airport when the company changed their name twice and then disappeared completely after it was ruled that their drivers were employed and not self employed ?

I wonder how many self employed drivers nationally are earning less than minimum wage ? I would hazard a guess that outside of London probably 75% or more

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edders23 wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
The COMPANY employed the drivers and is an autonomous entity, Mr Quinn, even as a director is not responsible, the company is

BUT - look when it was incorporated... Date of Incorporation: 28/06/2011

just in time for the court case?


There is provision in law to stop people doing that the court does not have to recognize the new company status if it was changed AFTER the start of the investigation. It was to stop people transferring all their assets into their wives name to get out of bankruptcy but applies across the board I believe that Mr Quinn will still be liable as the Limited company was only set up after the wage arrears were incurred

If I remember correctly wasn't that the situation at Stansted Airport when the company changed their name twice and then disappeared completely after it was ruled that their drivers were employed and not self employed ?

I wonder how many self employed drivers nationally are earning less than minimum wage ? I would hazard a guess that outside of London probably 75% or more


quite correct BUT, HMRC have taken the civil-case route, now its down to baillifs to collect the £20K from a LTD company who knows they are coming.... game/set and match i think

its the underpaid employees who will be out of pocket (still) and maybe THATS why HMRC didnt pursue a criminal case, cos HMG knew getting the money was as likely as winning the lottery

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